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Post by tom on Aug 18, 2020 19:29:13 GMT -5
Hunting for Black Bears: Do We Really Need To?
The American Black Bear is one of the most popular animals to hunt among hunters, and you'll often hear them tell people why they must hunt bears such as "We have to control the population!" and "Hunting reduces conflict with people!". But do we really? Lets look at the arguments that hunters come up with.
1. We have to control their numbers: Actually, black bears have a mechanism that allows them to limit their own numbers known as Delayed Implantation. Bears get together in late spring to early summer and then embryo develops and then it stops developing and floats in the uterus and this is called a blastocyst. Not long prior to hibernation, if the mom is perfectly healthy and has a good weight, the blastocyst will implant into the uterine wall and continue development, but if the mom is not in good shape and does not have a good weight, the blastocyst never implants and the embryo never develops which saves the mom and cub.
2. Hunting them will reduce conflict with humans: Hunting seldom removes the nuisance bears because hunters don't target the problem animals and hunting does not take place in or around residential homes which is where the problems exist. Black Bears have adapted to our presence, and some have learned that populated places have lots of food for them thus if people took better care of their garbage or if towns installed bear-proof dumpsters they would cut off the bears access to food and if they can't get food there then they simply won't have any reason to go there.
3. We need to meat!: Let's be real, how many bear hunters actually eat bear meat? Not many. Even back in the pioneer days bear meat wasn't popular. Some might say they use the hide as a rug to keep it from being wasted, but that's no different from having the head of a lion on your wall, it's basically a trophy.
4. We must hunt them to make them fear humans!: Bill Lea, a wildlife photographer and black bear advocate has actually photographed bears that when a gun went off the bears didn't even look up. As for hunting them with hounds, if anything if the bear escapes, just makes them more scared of dogs and even then, if the hunter killed the bear, then why would that bear be scared?
5. Bears are hunted to reduce predation on fawns: Of all the arguments, this is the one that really gets under my skin. First, a recent study has found that fawn survival rates are actually similar in places with no predators compared to places full of predators because the fawns were likely going to die anyway due to illness, birth defects, or emaciation thus killing bears doesn't do fawns any favors, it only makes the weak fawns suffer, and I think we can all agree that death be bear is more humane than death by sickness. Second, the deer in the Eastern US are overpopulated, Pennsylvania has 1.5 million deer, New York has about 1 million deer, and Georgia is the worst with 1.27 MILLION deer. At these numbers, do we really WANT more deer?
I agree with all of the above. But what I feel even more strongly about is people feeding wild Bears. People need to keep their distance and NOT FEED wild Bears. It can be a death sentence for the Bear.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Aug 18, 2020 22:49:00 GMT -5
Tom, it is the fault of people who do not follow the rules and as a result, the death sentence comes on these bears.
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Post by brobear on Aug 18, 2020 23:32:02 GMT -5
Quote: We have to control their numbers: *I believe that it was Doug Peacock ( could be wrong ) who stated that bears have several methods of controlling their own numbers and thus will never be overpopulated without man's "help". Quote: Hunting them will reduce conflict with humans: *Records of bear attacks have been filed since the 18th century. Most states have a zero recorded human deaths caused by a bear attack. There has never been a real problem of black bear/human conflict ( other than people killing bears ). Quote: We need to meat!: *As the author of this stated, people rarely eat bears. Early pioneers killed bears for the fat. Bear grease. According to some of the books I read on the historical grizzly, a bear has more fat than a hog and of a higher quality. But bear meat was never popular. Quote: We must hunt them to make them fear humans!: *This was accomplished ages ago. Quote: Bears are hunted to reduce predation on fawns: *Besides the answers given by the author, this excuse is pure greed. The hunters fear not having enough deer to shoot. This reminds me of a day when I walked down to a comparatively large pond in Florida. There were several guys there shooting turtles. I asked them why? Their answer - "We don't want these turtles to eat all the fish". I said, "Turtles don't chase down fish like little motor boats. They feed mostly on dead things, thus helping to keep the pond clean." He says, "Well, we're going to see that they don't kill all the fish." Then I said, "Turtles and fish have coexisted for about 300 million years, and we still have fish." Then I walked away. In my mind, I was thinking, "why can't they just say, we're shooting turtles because we enjoy killing."
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Post by King Kodiak on Aug 21, 2020 18:16:08 GMT -5
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 6, 2020 7:29:19 GMT -5
Its 8:30 am here, but am already opening up a beer to celebrate, this guy got what he deserved:Maine bear hunter killed when truck collapses on him
He was changing a tire while other members of his group were looking for a bear they had shot.
A Maine hunter has died from injuries suffered when his pickup truck collapsed on him while he was changing a tire.
The accident killed Jason Dube, 46, of Eagle Lake on Tuesday.
He had been on a bear hunting trip in the woods of northern Maine, WCSH-TV reported.
Dube was changing the tire when other members of his group were looking for a bear they had shot.
The vehicle slipped off a jack and collapsed on Dube, police said.
Police said members of the hunting group freed Dube from the vehicle and tried to resuscitate him, but they did not succeed.
www.pressherald.com/2020/09/03/maine-bear-hunter-killed-when-truck-collapses-on-him/
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Post by tom on Sept 6, 2020 14:52:46 GMT -5
Its 8:30 am here, but am already opening up a beer to celebrate, this guy got what he deserved: Maine bear hunter killed when truck collapses on him
He was changing a tire while other members of his group were looking for a bear they had shot.
A Maine hunter has died from injuries suffered when his pickup truck collapsed on him while he was changing a tire.
The accident killed Jason Dube, 46, of Eagle Lake on Tuesday.
He had been on a bear hunting trip in the woods of northern Maine, WCSH-TV reported.
Dube was changing the tire when other members of his group were looking for a bear they had shot.
The vehicle slipped off a jack and collapsed on Dube, police said.
Police said members of the hunting group freed Dube from the vehicle and tried to resuscitate him, but they did not succeed.
www.pressherald.com/2020/09/03/maine-bear-hunter-killed-when-truck-collapses-on-him/
You really need to seek help kodiak.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 6, 2020 15:09:19 GMT -5
Why Tom? That piece of crap and his group killed a bear, he killed a life, for no reason. You accept that? God sent him what he deserved. Karma baby.
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Post by tom on Sept 6, 2020 15:37:31 GMT -5
If you have to ask why you just reinforced my original statement. Think about it.... celebrating a human death. It has nothing to do with whether he killed a bear legally or not. You don't have to like or agree with hunting, but to say the man died and he got what was coming to him is sick dude.. really demented.
anyone who agrees with me like my post please.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 6, 2020 15:47:16 GMT -5
Sick? I will tell you what's sick. Killing an innocent, defenseless bear without a reason whatsoever, and most likely laughing about it. Him and his stupid group. Let me guess, they were starving to death huh? An animal's life is worth the same as a human's life (at least for me). Thats a murdered right there, same as if he had killed a human being.
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Post by tom on Sept 7, 2020 7:35:38 GMT -5
I've tried to reason with people about using this forum as a bash hunting platform. We'll it's all coming to an end now as I've had it. You all have your opinions about hunting which is fine but that's where the buck stops. So going forward there will be NO MORE threads about hunting period. The next person who does WILL get an extended leave of absence from the Domain. If you don't think I'll do it, TRY ME !
Locked.
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Post by tom on Sept 7, 2020 7:50:33 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Feb 15, 2021 8:23:37 GMT -5
Grandma kills 12-foot alligator This Grandma held a grudge over an alligator because it acted like an alligator. They brag about killing alligators.
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Post by brobear on Apr 20, 2021 13:16:36 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Jun 29, 2021 5:19:08 GMT -5
gifclub.net/heres-why-woman-cant-get-an-orgasm/?cnt=16596&u=done Trophy hunter who targeted elephants and lions gets eaten by crocodiles All animal lovers are opposed to trophy hunting. It can be hard to believe that there are people who enjoy killing at-risk animals like lions and rhinos. This “sport” has pushed many species to the brink of extinction, but despite controversy and pushback from conservation groups this kind of hunting remains legal in many places. But sometimes the animal kingdom has its own sense of justice… and one hunter came to a demise that could be described as “karma.” Scott Van Zyl was a prolific trophy hunter from South Africa. In addition to being a hunter himself, Van Zyl operated a “safari” company where he would take clients on big game hunts as well. His targets included lions, cheetahs, giraffes and elephants. In 2017, Van Zyl headed out on one of his hunting trip in Zimbabwe… only this time, he didn’t return. According to the BBC, the hunter headed out with a pack of dogs and a local tracker. He went off on his own in search of crocodiles, and was believed to be missing when his tracker dogs returned without him. After the story broke, many people wrote that he had it coming: that it was karma for killing so many animals. One Green Planet, while not celebrating the hunter’s death, said the case is just more proof of why we shouldn’t allow trophy hunting: it puts the hunters’ lives at needless risk. “Let’s be honest, Zyl shouldn’t have been hunting in the first place,” they wrote. “We have to ask ourselves if the ‘thrill of the hunt’ is really worth risking your own life – while deliberately taking others.”
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Post by brobear on Jul 1, 2021 8:07:37 GMT -5
*I have unlocked this topic. It will remain unlocked only so long as remarks do not become too radical.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jul 2, 2021 6:09:04 GMT -5
Reply 133. That is a risk someone takes when they enter into an environment with so many dangerous animals.
Anyway, trophy hunters often exaggerate the weights of the animals they hunted and are responsible for reducing the weights of many animals.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2021 9:02:42 GMT -5
Trophy hunting should be made illegal in all countries so, that these people, who kill animals just to have some fun could be jailed. That hunter in posting of smedz seems to enjoy killing endangered species, pathetic. I have no sympathy if they suffer from public shame and pressure, they have deserved it fully.
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Post by tom on Sept 6, 2021 15:57:01 GMT -5
Baiting a Lion to leave the protection of the Park to be shot should still be a crime and the outfitter should lose his license and be heavily fined. The hunter should be fined as well. That's not hunting even in the most loose sense of the word. More like shooting fish in a barrel.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Sept 7, 2021 22:10:54 GMT -5
I promise never to eat bear meat.
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