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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 2, 2020 16:10:41 GMT -5
Well, there is barely nothing on Jeniseensis, just that one report. Hope we get more info soon.
We have left the topic by a long shot, Bison and other wild bovines.
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Post by brobear on Dec 2, 2020 16:42:47 GMT -5
Well, there is barely nothing on Jeniseensis, just that one report. Hope we get more info soon.
We have left the topic by a long shot, Bison and other wild bovines. I'm thinking: perhaps as you apotheosize, jeniseensis is a large Gobi bear or as I apotheosize, jeniseensis is an Ussuri brown bear. But I'd wager jeniseensis is not a legitimate subspecies. Possibly even an East Siberian brown bear ( Ursus arctos collaris ).
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 2, 2020 16:47:37 GMT -5
Looks like we can call the Mongolian brown bear, the Mongolian version of the Ussuri brown bear.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 2, 2020 17:13:02 GMT -5
Well, there is barely nothing on Jeniseensis, just that one report. Hope we get more info soon.
We have left the topic by a long shot, Bison and other wild bovines. I'm thinking: perhaps as you apotheosize, jeniseensis is a large Gobi bear or as I apotheosize, jeniseensis is an Ussuri brown bear. But I'd wager jeniseensis is not a legitimate subspecies. Possibly even an East Siberian brown bear ( Ursus arctos collaris ). Yes, that is another good theory brobear, because The East Siberian brown bear (Ursus arctos collaris) also ranges in Northern Mongolia:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Siberian_brown_bear
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Post by brobear on Apr 22, 2021 6:55:04 GMT -5
www.diana-hunting.com/game/brown-bear-asia Brown Bear (Asia). Subspecies: A total of 10 subspecies have been described, eight of which live in this region: 1- European-Siberian Brown Bear (Ursus a. arctos): Western Siberia (and Europe). 2- East Siberian Brown Bear (Ursus. a. yenisensis): Eastern Siberia, from Jenissei to Transbaikalia and east to the Stanowoj mountains. From the Lena- and Kolyma-basin to Jakutia, including the Altai and northern Mongolia. 3- Caucasian Brown Bear (Ursus a. meridionalis): The Caucasus, south to northern Armenia. 4- Syrian Brown Bear (Ursus a. syriacus): Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Turkey,Iran, western Himalaya, the Pamirs, the Altai and Tienshan, Azerbaijan, Turkmeniya, Iraq and Afghanistan. 5- Kashmir or Tienshan Brown Bear (Ursus a. isabellinus): Kashmir, the Pamirs and Altai mountains, Tienshan, Afghanistan, northern Pakistan to Nepal. 6- Kamchatka Brown Bear (Ursus a. piscator): Kamchatka, northern Kuril Island, the Karaginska Islands, coastal area of the Ochotski Sea, south to the Stanowoj mountains and the Shantar Islands. Outside Russia: The Lawrence Islands. 7- Ussuri Brown Bear (Ursus a. lasiotus): The Ussuri region, Sachalin, Priamurje and north to the Shantar Islands, the Stanowoj mountains, southern Kuril Islands, north-eastern Heilongjiang (Manchuria), Korea and Hokkaido (Japan). 8- Tibet Brown Bear (Ursus a. pruniosus): Northwest China (Kansu), northern Sichuan, Xizang (Tibet), Mongolia, south from Endrengiyn Nuruu and Shan in the eastern Himalaya. *So, the question remains: Mongolian Brown Bear - URSUS ARCTOS JENISEENSIS?
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 22, 2021 7:17:03 GMT -5
That's weird, they have the East Siberian brown bear as Yenisensis. I think that might be a mistake or confusion. I think if both the East Siberian brown bear and the Mongolian brown bear have been merged into 1 subspecies, that would be Ursus arctos collaris. Wiki doesn't even have a page on the Mongolian brown bear.
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Post by brobear on Apr 22, 2021 7:36:17 GMT -5
That's weird, they have the East Siberian brown bear as Yenisensis. I think that might be a mistake or confusion. I think if both the East Siberian brown bear and the Mongolian brown bear have been merged into 1 subspecies, that would be Ursus arctos collaris. Wiki doesn't even have a page on the Mongolian brown bear. Sharp eyes there King Kodiak. No, not my mistake ( if it is a mistake ). The site I posted gives "Yenisensis" as the scientific name for the East Siberian brown bear, rather than "Ursus arctos collaris". This brings me to conclude that we were correct - replies #21 and #23.
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 22, 2021 7:40:46 GMT -5
No, i said i think that site you posted made a mistake, not you of course. But we just not sure of anything with yenisensis now.
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Post by brobear on Apr 22, 2021 7:53:00 GMT -5
My thoughts are, Ursus arctos yenisensis and Ursus arctos collaris are one and the same bear. But, I agree that we should await further evidence.
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