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Post by tom on Jan 4, 2019 10:12:09 GMT -5
I may be wrong here, but IMO there is no other mammal that is more protective of their young than a female Grizzly. She will die protecting her cubs.
Almost gives way to this famous saying "Hell has no fury like a woman scorned"
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 4, 2019 17:04:37 GMT -5
I may be wrong here, but IMO there is no other mammal that is more protective of their young than a female Grizzly. She will die protecting her cubs. Almost gives way to this famous saying "Hell has no fury like a woman scorned" You have no idea how correct you are Tom, the female grizzly is BY FAR the most protective and most ferocious when it comes to defending her cubs, i mean if anybody even comes close to her cubs its like opening the portal to hell.
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Post by brobear on Jan 4, 2019 18:53:25 GMT -5
I may be wrong here, but IMO there is no other mammal that is more protective of their young than a female Grizzly. She will die protecting her cubs. Almost gives way to this famous saying "Hell has no fury like a woman scorned" You have no idea how correct you are Tom, the female grizzly is BY FAR the most protective and most ferocious when it comes to defending her cubs, i mean if anybody even comes close to her cubs its like opening the portal to hell. After a few thousand years of Mama Bear defending against giant wolves and monstrous big cats in Pleistocene N. America....
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Post by Kamchatka on Jan 4, 2019 19:27:58 GMT -5
The mature bear is no fool.
He knows the ways of wolves.
He will take what he can get from them.
The wolf also knows the bear and his greed.
Only when wolf tribe is desperate will it fight bear.
Over denning cubs or last food available and bear knows this.
It is true tiger hates wolf even more than bear. Wolf truly fears tiger.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 4, 2019 22:44:18 GMT -5
The mature bear is no fool. He knows the ways of wolves. He will take what he can get from them. The wolf also knows the bear and his greed. Only when wolf tribe is desperate will it fight bear. Over denning cubs or last food available and bear knows this. It is true tiger hates wolf even more than bear. Wolf truly fears tiger. Wow Kamchatka, finally something we can agree on, ha ha ha.
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Post by brobear on Jan 6, 2019 7:15:12 GMT -5
A big mature male grizzly can and will displace a wolf pack from a carcass, no matter the number of wolves.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 6, 2019 7:53:42 GMT -5
A big mature male grizzly can and will displace a wolf pack from a carcass, no matter the number of wolves. The historic video yeah, 14 wolves not doing a thing.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 9, 2019 18:00:15 GMT -5
This is from the department of evolution, ecology, and behavior of the university of Minnesota. They described how an adult grizzly bear usurped a bison calf kill from a pack of 5 wolves. Also, during competition for carcasses, in general, the wolves are the losers and the bears the gainers.
qcnr.usu.edu/labs/macnulty_lab/files/MacNulty%20et%20al%202001.pdf
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 23, 2019 18:57:02 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Feb 6, 2019 4:27:41 GMT -5
www.wideopenspaces.com/wolves-kill-bears-den-hunters-make-grisly-discovery/ WOLVES KILL BEARS IN DEN, HUNTERS MAKE GRISLY DISCOVERY. Mountain lion hunters came across a gruesome scene of a small bear pulled from its den, killed and eaten by wolves. It's a cliche, but it's true: Nature is unforgiving. A critter can't even hide itself away for a winter hibernation without risking its life. According to Flying B Ranch, a guide for mountain lion hunters in Idaho recently found another example of just how brutal nature can be. At the site of a bear den they found evidence that several wolves had attacked the den and killed at least one small bear. "All that remained was the inside-out hide, skull (separated lower mandible), spine, and one foot," the ranch indicated. "This small bear was killed by about four wolves this winter," the guide says as his dogs sniff the carcass and surrounding area. Wolf populations and their effect on other wildlife is a major issue of contention in a number of northern states right now. The small wildlife drama discovered here presents another layer to be considered by those involved in the controversy, particularly animal rights activists who decry the management by hunting of both bears and wolves. Posted by David Smith May 27, 2018 - video on site.
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 6, 2019 4:46:10 GMT -5
WOLVES KILL BEARS IN DEN, HUNTERS MAKE GRISLY DISCOVERY.
Good find there brobear. Yeah, that is why they are mortal enemies. you can see why.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 3, 2019 19:10:24 GMT -5
Yellowstone national park: a little grizzly bear cub wanders away from his mother. A pack of 6 wolves sees the cub in the distance, the close in within 20 meters, fortunally there is a tree right there, cub climbs tree perfectly, wolves cant climb, they surround the tree, if cub comes down, its all over, they will ripp him up and eat him. 1 hour later, the wolves are still waiting, but guess what? Mamma bear just found her cub by his scent, she is a large 400 lb bear, she charges like a bull, she gets a hold of one wolf and litteraly breaks his neck in seconds. 2 other wolves attack her, she gets bitten, but they also get some swipes. After this battle, the 5 remaining wolves had enough and run away. The cub comes down from the tree, he has been saved. They both eat the dead wolf. The end.
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Post by tom on Mar 3, 2019 22:23:30 GMT -5
That will teach wolves to NOT mess with Grizzlies, especially a female Grizzly with a cub. Hell has no fury like a Woman (Sow Grizzly) scorned.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 9, 2019 12:42:16 GMT -5
Carcass-stealing by grizzlies doesn’t mean wolves kill more BILLINGS – Research that compared Yellowstone National Park grizzly bear and wolf interactions with those same animals in Sweden has produced a surprising finding: brown bear presence in both ecosystems reduces the wolf kill rate. “It’s a baffling finding,” said Doug Smith, Yellowstone’s wolf biologist. “To be honest, for 20 years I’ve been saying bears increase wolf kill rates because bears steal so many carcasses.” That data from two very different ecosystems pointed to the same conclusion helped convince Yellowstone bear biologist Kerry Gunther that the research was “not just a fluke.” The study’s lead author was Aimee Tallian, a Utah State University wildlife ecologist and former Yellowstone research assistant. Eleven international co-authors helped with the National Science Foundation-funded project that allowed Tallian to spend a year working in Sweden. Different worlds The research area in south-central Sweden is very different from Yellowstone, Tallian noted. Roads criss-cross the dense forest because it is logged. That means researchers could drive to most locations, compared to Yellowstone where hours spent hiking is more often the norm. “It’s heavily managed by humans, but there are still a lot of woods and remote areas,” she said. Yellowstone is also unusual in that grizzly-wolf interactions are sometimes seen along the main roads where they are photographed by tourists or studied through spotting scopes. Seeing the animals in Sweden is rare, partly because they are still hunted populations. Research says Tallian said the assumption that the presence of an apex predator like grizzlies would drive wolves to hunt and kill more prey was never written down anywhere, but was a commonly held belief. “The results were the opposite of what we expected,” she said. “I double-checked the data so many times thinking, ‘What did I do wrong?’” “Our results challenge the conventional view that brown bears do not affect the distribution, survival or reproduction of wolves,” stated the research paper, which was published in the “Proceedings of the Royal Society B” on Feb. 8. “Although the outcome of interactions between bears and wolves at carcasses varies, bears often dominate, limiting wolves' access to food,” the paper said. “Furthermore, our findings suggest that wolves do not hunt more often to compensate for the loss of food to brown bears. In combination, this implies that bears might negatively affect the food intake of wolves," so wolf populations that live within the same geographical area as brown bears may see effects on their fitness. King of the kill Past research by Smith and his crew in Yellowstone’s remote, bear-rich Pelican Valley have found that, between March and October, virtually every wolf kill is taken over by a grizzly bear. “Wolves get a lot of food stolen from them by grizzlies,” Smith said. Gunther said it is common in Yellowstone for grizzlies to usurp wolf kills within hours, if not days. Takeovers by females with cubs is less common because the wolves will threaten, and sometimes kill, the young bears. “The missing piece was: What does that do to wolf kill rates?” Smith noted. Tallian said many assume that wolves are efficient and effective killers. But previous research in Yellowstone has shown that summer is a lean season, the same time that grizzlies are out of hibernation competing for food and there’s no snow to slow down the wolf’s favorite prey, ungulates like elk. Faced with a food shortage, packs break up into smaller groups with wolves often dining on smaller and more varied prey than in winter. So when wolves do kill a large animal, like an elk, it may be easier to stick around and wait for an encroaching grizzly to leave than to make another kill, Smith and Tallian agreed. “One of the implications is that maybe bears do have some impact on the fitness of wolves, because bears steal their food, there’s a net food loss when bears are around,” Tallian said. New question Tallian’s research prompts the question: “Have wolves increased bears? That would be a huge headline,” Smith said. “But we can’t back that up.” Grizzly bear populations in the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem were climbing in the 1980s, before wolves returned to the landscape in 1995, Gunther said. “Certainly wolves have played a role because there is more meat on the landscape that bears have access to,” Gunther said. But there are also fewer winterkill animals awaiting bears when they leave hibernation in spring, and he noted that wolves occasionally kill a grizzly cub. “So there are positives and negatives,” he said. Tallian’s research helps fill one gap in a larger story about ecosystems that are incredibly complicated, interwoven and which, in many ways, operate beyond the scope of human understanding. “This is one more piece of the jigsaw puzzle,” Smith said. www.google.com/amp/s/missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/carcass-stealing-by-grizzlies-doesn-t-mean-wolves-kill-more/article_589bb384-3236-5a8b-ba8f-d32e3c0ec3f3.amp.html
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 9, 2019 12:44:22 GMT -5
In North America's Yellowstone National Park, hungry wolves wait to access their elk kill as grizzly bears feast on the spoils. Utah State University ecologist Aimee Tallian and colleagues report wolf kill rates fall in the presence of brown bears on two continents.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 9, 2019 12:52:46 GMT -5
From the above post: “Past research by Smith and his crew in Yellowstone’s remote, bear-rich Pelican Valley have found that, between March and October, virtually every wolf kill is taken over by a grizzly bear.
“Wolves get a lot of food stolen from them by grizzlies,” Smith said”
Oh my god, we knew grizzlies steal alot of wolves kills at Yellowstone, but between march and october, “every wolf kill is taken over by a grizzly bear” poor wolves, LOL.
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Post by brobear on Mar 9, 2019 13:16:50 GMT -5
From the above post: “Past research by Smith and his crew in Yellowstone’s remote, bear-rich Pelican Valley have found that, between March and October, virtually every wolf kill is taken over by a grizzly bear.
“Wolves get a lot of food stolen from them by grizzlies,” Smith said”
Oh my god, we knew grizzlies steal alot of wolves kills at Yellowstone, but between march and october, “every wolf kill is taken over by a grizzly bear” poor wolves, LOL. That wolf pack needs to relocate.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 9, 2019 13:19:47 GMT -5
From the above post: “Past research by Smith and his crew in Yellowstone’s remote, bear-rich Pelican Valley have found that, between March and October, virtually every wolf kill is taken over by a grizzly bear.
“Wolves get a lot of food stolen from them by grizzlies,” Smith said”
Oh my god, we knew grizzlies steal alot of wolves kills at Yellowstone, but between march and october, “every wolf kill is taken over by a grizzly bear” poor wolves, LOL. That wolf pack needs to relocate. As soon as possible.
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Post by brobear on Mar 21, 2019 5:17:32 GMT -5
Wolves and Bears.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 23, 2019 3:44:33 GMT -5
‘Wolf vs. Bear’ Review: Brains, Brawn, Survival Two mighty animals use their skills in a battle for food. Size doesn’t matter is the overall judgment delivered at the end of “Wolf vs. Bear” (Wednesday, 9 p.m., Smithsonian Channel)—one of the few times that cherished belief rings true. Context, of course, does matter, and the kind the film has on its mind with regard to the size question has to do with the battle for survival between wolves and bears. Wolf vs. Bear Wednesday, 9 p.m., Smithsonian Channel The contest between the two, photographed over the course of a year in the wilds of Norway, Finland and Russia, is joined as both emerge to take up the hunt for food. In spring the bears wake from hibernation hungry, in need of exercise—one reason for the numerous scenes here of their wrestling matches with one another when they’re not hunting in swampy clearings, the best place to find carrion. Also hunting in the same territory is the gray wolf, desperate to bring sustenance back to the den for newborn pups, and no match in size for the 9-foot-tall bears whose weight can run to a thousand pounds as compared with the gray wolf’s 120 pounds or less. Still the starring wolf in this film—a female alpha wolf, and pack leader—has, as we’re shown with extraordinary clarity, any number of strategies for getting around the size and hulk imbalance. The alpha wolf’s most reliable tactic is deception. She’s a mother driven by desperation to get food, if necessary by intruding—as we see her do repeatedly as the film captures her every stealthy assessment of the possibilities—on an entire assemblage of hungry bears digging into their carrion. Some of which she hopes to steal for the cubs—which we see her do successfully in ways best left to the film to reveal. The bears are hardly pushovers, but the wolf mother knows they can be distracted. This endlessly enchanting film is never better than when it’s delivering instruction on the comparative strengths of the contenders—the details on the construction of the bear’s nose, making it among the most powerful of instruments for detecting smells, are unforgettable. As is the howling of the gray wolves—a sound likely to warm the heart of anyone residing with a dog, so identical are the howls and, for the same reason, just a touch chilling. www.wsj.com/amp/articles/wolf-vs-bear-review-brains-brawn-survival-11553205180
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