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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2018 22:52:36 GMT -5
Me being a big wolf fan I must admit that the grizzly have total control over a wolf. A bear can hold his own against more than 14 wolves.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2018 22:53:57 GMT -5
If Im not mistaking bears don't go around wolf dens though.
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Post by brobear on Sept 22, 2018 5:40:39 GMT -5
A grizzly does not ordinarily go out looking for a fight. He would not seek-out wolf dens. He has learned, a million years ago, that a wolf pack will back down from a fight. Consider this; if in a struggle against a grizzly the pack loses two pack members before killing the bear; then the bear wins. Score: two dead wolves/one dead bear.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2018 8:31:25 GMT -5
A grizzly does not ordinarily go out looking for a fight. He would not seek-out wolf dens. He has learned, a million years ago, that a wolf pack will back down from a fight. Consider this; if in a struggle against a grizzly the pack loses two pack members before killing the bear; then the bear wins. Score: two dead wolves/one dead bear. Yes bears and wolves are very smart. They know just how far to take it with each other.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 25, 2018 17:48:49 GMT -5
Brown bears regularly intimidate gray wolves (Canis lupus) away from their kills, with wolves occurring in most of the brown bear's worldwide distribution.[7] In Yellowstone National Park, brown bears pirate wolf kills so often, Yellowstone's Wolf Project director Doug Smith wrote, "It's not a matter of if the bears will come calling after a kill, but when." Similarly, in Denali National Park, grizzly bears routinely rob wolf packs of their kills.[255] On the contrary, in Katmai National Park and Preserve, wolves, even lone wolves, may manage to displace brown bears at carrion sites.[368] Despite the high animosity between the two species, most confrontations at kill sites or large carcasses end without bloodshed on either side. Although conflict over carcasses is common, on rare occasions the two predators tolerate each other on the same kill. To date, there are only a few cases of fully-grown wolves being killed by brown bears and none of wolves killing healthy adult brown bears.[246][369][370] Given the opportunity, however, both species will prey on the other's cubs.[255][371] Conclusively, the individual power of the bear against the collective strength of the wolf pack usually results in a long battle for kills or domination. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_bear
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 26, 2018 12:41:51 GMT -5
Brown bear attacks polar wolf and kills it in a few seconds. “While feeding the brown bears and the polar wolves in a game reserve, one bear suddenly attacked a wolf. Unfortunately the wolf was dead a few seconds later.”
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Post by brobear on Sept 26, 2018 12:53:52 GMT -5
I would not have even considered penning them together. Like a cage. In the wild, the wolf would not have been killed.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 26, 2018 13:30:33 GMT -5
Yeah sure why would they put a bear and wolves together? Sounds like they wanted a dead wolf. In the wild, the wolves can run away yes, but they can be killed also. According to wiki there have been a few cases of full grown wolves killed by grizzlies in the wild.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 29, 2018 15:30:12 GMT -5
Check out this battle here, one bear, looks like a black bear to me am not sure, fights 3 white wolves, with one swipe he almost sent one to the water. The bear beat the 3 wolves.
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Post by brobear on Sept 29, 2018 16:19:39 GMT -5
No, that is a grizzly. This has the look of captive animals who know each other interacting. Pure all-white wolves are uncommon in the wild - I would think. And they were just not acting in wild animal behavior.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 29, 2018 16:27:48 GMT -5
Oh ok a grizzly. Yeah i could not really tell, i thought i saw the shoulder hump was very little, like black bears. But the important thing about this video is that hard swipe, pushed the wolf all the way back you saw it.
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Post by brobear on Sept 29, 2018 16:35:18 GMT -5
Oh ok a grizzly. Yeah i could not really tell, i thought i saw the shoulder hump was very little, like black bears. But the important thing about this video is that hard swipe, pushed the wolf all the way back you saw it. Yes, as he could crush a skull with a full-force paw-strike. Nice video.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 29, 2018 17:05:14 GMT -5
That has to be the hardest swipe by a bear on video. Man, grizzlies are the wolves worst nightmare.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 20:12:37 GMT -5
I agree with both of you bears are the master of this domain.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 28, 2018 18:23:29 GMT -5
Brutestrength is going to love this news. Wolves and bears both dominate pumas. Where the hunting grounds of apex predators overlap, there are always winners and losers. Large carnivores use their brawn to force smaller rivals off meals, or worse: to wipe out the opposition entirely. Others use strength in numbers to gain ground and resources. It's a struggle for dominance that America's second-largest cats know well, a new study shows. Puma-Range-Map_2018-02-02.jpg A map showing where pumas are dominant and subordinate across their range. Research from global wild-cat conservation organisation Panthera reveals that in almost half of their expansive range across the Americas, pumas are outmatched by at least one other large predator in the contest for food, space and resources. While the cats certainly rank at the top of the food chain, they are forced to share this position with contenders like wolves, bears and jaguars. The study found that pumas came off second best to other large predators in as much as 47.5% of their 22,735,268 square-kilometre range – a habitat that's greater than any other large land mammal in the Western Hemisphere. To figure out just how the tawny cats stacked up against their carnivorous competition, Panthera Puma Program lead scientist, Dr Mark Elbroch, and Anna Kusler, a graduate researcher with Panthera's Teton Cougar Project, combed through 60 years of scientific literature and flagged anything featuring interactions between mountain lions and other carnivores (hardly glamorous, but wildlife research isn't all darting elephants and tracking jaguars). Using 64 sources to assess dominance among pumas and other apex predators, they found that pumas are often outranked by black bears, grizzlies, wolves and jaguars, but are dominant over maned wolves and coyotes. "Wolves seem to influence pumas the strongest," Dr Elbroch writes in a blog post outlining the findings. "Wolves kill all age classes of pumas, frequently chase and harass them, and push them from their kills." Where wolves and mountain lions share ground, it's the cats that are usually forced to surrender territory, shifting their movements away from open plains, and instead skulking in forests and over rockier terrain to better evade prowling wolves. The big cats may even adjust their prey preferences, targeting deer and other animals rather than elk. puma_wolf_2018-02-02.jpg A puma monitored by Panthera pushed off his kill by a wolf. Pumas don't always settle for the subordinate position, though; the cats sometimes emerge victorious in scuffles with rivals, and have even been recorded killing their canid adversaries on occasion (usually lone wolves that lacked the competitive edge that comes with rolling in a pack). For predators jostling for top spot on the food chain, strength in numbers can make a big difference. Wolves outranked pumas in 78% of the sources turned up by Elbroch and Kusler – an impressive track record that mostly came down to a numbers advantage. Size plays a big role, too. Larger animals will almost always come out on top, which is why pumas outrank smaller mesocarnivores like ocelots and lynxes, but often lose to the far heftier bear species. But when it comes to jaguars, the contest is a little less clear-cut. "Evidence that jaguars are dominant over pumas is strongest in areas where jaguars are large and weigh considerably more than pumas, but more ambiguous in Northern Mexico, where the two species are similar in size," Elbroch explains. It's unclear if pumas actually outrank their spotted cousins (that's a research topic waiting to be explored), but the results of the study show that size certainly does matter. Are-pumas-subordinate-carnivores_2018-02-02.jpg The apex predators of North and South America and their relative competitive relationship with pumas (E). Bold arrows denote dominance, and point from the dominant species to the subordinate. Thin arrows denote some evidence to the contrary. (A) gray wolf (Canis lupus), (B) grizzly bear (Ursus arctos), (C) American black bear (Ursus americanus), (D) jaguar (Panthera unca), (E) puma (Puma concolor), (F) maned wolf (Chrysocyon brachyurus), (G) coyote (Canis latrans). Drawings by Mark Elbroch/Panthera Clashes for the number-one spot among America's large carnivores are complex, and there's still much we don't understand about these interactions, or the impact they have on the ecology of the species involved (and the other critters that depend on them). Puma numbers are heavily controlled through hunting in order to reduce conflict with livestock and humans – clashes that are almost inevitable for a cat with such a massive home range. For Elbroch, it's important to understand how predator dominance affects these cats before we put them in the crosshairs. "It's incredibly difficult to determine what is a 'sustainable' puma hunt and what is not – instead, puma management must be reactionary, carefully following populations to determine whether they are in decline, and rapidly adjusting hunting pressure accordingly," he argues. Until we better grasp the impact of other carnivores on mountain-lion populations, hunting should be reduced – at least in areas where wolves and grizzlies are expanding their range, says Elbroch. If the cats can't cope with competition from other predators, they certainly don't need any more from us. www.earthtouchnews.com/conservation/conservation/king-of-the-carnivores-how-bears-wolves-jaguars-stack-up-against-pumas
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Post by brobear on Oct 29, 2018 4:55:43 GMT -5
Above site lists the predators in terms of dominance as: A-Wolf / B-Grizzly / C-Black Bear / D-Jaguar / E-Puma / F-Maned Wolf / G-Coyote. We all know that a big mature male grizzly can and will displace a wolf pack from a carcass - but not every grizzly is a big mature boar.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 29, 2018 5:01:18 GMT -5
Above site lists the predators in terms of dominance as: A-Wolf / B-Grizzly / C-Black Bear / D-Jaguar / E-Puma / F-Maned Wolf / G-Coyote. We all know that a big mature male grizzly can and will displace a wolf pack from a carcass - but not every grizzly is a big mature boar. correct, maybe because of the numbers, but if you take a good look at that chart, the bear is still on top of the grey wolf.
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Post by brobear on Oct 29, 2018 5:08:18 GMT -5
Above site lists the predators in terms of dominance as: A-Wolf / B-Grizzly / C-Black Bear / D-Jaguar / E-Puma / F-Maned Wolf / G-Coyote. We all know that a big mature male grizzly can and will displace a wolf pack from a carcass - but not every grizzly is a big mature boar. correct, maybe because of the numbers, but if you take a good look at that chart, the bear is still on top of the grey wolf. But the wolf is actually before the grizzly ( A before B ), but I now understand their meaning. The cougar is more often displaced by wolves than by grizzlies.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 29, 2018 5:16:49 GMT -5
Yes sir, right on, that article has to do with how pumas stack up against other animals. That is why they have the wolf as (a) but the bear is still on top in general.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 3, 2018 5:18:19 GMT -5
Bears tear up wolf in front of horrified Dutch zoo visitors (DISTURBING VIDEO) Published time: 1 Nov, 2018 09:42 Two wolves tried to intervene but were kept at bay by another bear. FILE PHOTO. © Global Look Press / Lino Mirgeler Two wolves tried to intervene but were kept at bay by another bear. FILE PHOTO. © Global Look Press / Lino Mirgeler Visitors to the Dierenrijk zoo, in the Netherlands, were witnesses to a horrific and violent attack by a sloth of four brown bears who tore a female wolf to pieces right before their eyes. “The two-year-old she-wolf came out of the water with another wolf when she was attacked by the bear,” a zoo spokesperson told the NL Times. The attack took place in Mierlo near Eindhoven on Monday. Two other wolves tried to intervene but were kept at bay by a fourth bear who later joined in on the savagery and helped tear the victim limb from limb. “The visitors warned the caretakers, but the she-wolf was already dead,” the spokesperson added, calling it a “fatal accident.” Visitors, including young children, were shaken by the brutality and were offered aid by the zoo. www.rt.com/news/442825-bears-dismember-wolf-dutch-zoo/amp/
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