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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2020 2:00:41 GMT -5
This would not happen under normal conditions but lets say a very large wolf pack desperate for survival had their eyes fixed on a big male grizzly (Yellow Stone). In your opinions, how many wolves would it take to bring down the bear? Once again, I doubt this would happen due to the extreme risk of this. Hell even a black bear is too risky, but thoughts?
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Post by King Kodiak on May 16, 2020 2:11:06 GMT -5
This would not happen under normal conditions but lets say a very large wolf pack desperate for survival had their eyes fixed on a big male grizzly (Yellow Stone). In your opinions, how many wolves would it take to bring down the bear? Once again, I doubt this would happen due to the extreme risk of this. Hell even a black bear is too risky, but thoughts? Well, if we are talking about an average sized grizzly from Yellowstone at about 470 lbs, and if the wolves are determined enough and all attacked at once, then i would guess 8-10 would be enough.
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Post by brobear on May 16, 2020 4:40:19 GMT -5
This would not happen under normal conditions but lets say a very large wolf pack desperate for survival had their eyes fixed on a big male grizzly (Yellow Stone). In your opinions, how many wolves would it take to bring down the bear? Once again, I doubt this would happen due to the extreme risk of this. Hell even a black bear is too risky, but thoughts? Well, if we are talking about an average sized grizzly from Yellowstone at about 470 lbs, and if the wolves are determined enough and all attacked at once, then i would guess 8-10 would be enough.I agree. The wolves are simply not willing to sacrifice a pack members for a meal. Their survival depends on each other. They really care about each other, just as a dog cares about family members in a household.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 20:31:03 GMT -5
This would not happen under normal conditions but lets say a very large wolf pack desperate for survival had their eyes fixed on a big male grizzly (Yellow Stone). In your opinions, how many wolves would it take to bring down the bear? Once again, I doubt this would happen due to the extreme risk of this. Hell even a black bear is too risky, but thoughts? I don't know. Blacks bears. Maybe 3 or 4 for a female maybe 5-6 for a big male. Grizzly, it would be over 10.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 20:31:57 GMT -5
Well, if we are talking about an average sized grizzly from Yellowstone at about 470 lbs, and if the wolves are determined enough and all attacked at once, then i would guess 8-10 would be enough. I agree. The wolves are simply not willing to sacrifice a pack members for a meal. Their survival depends on each other. They really care about each other, just as a dog cares about family members in a household. Exactly. As are dholes and African Wild Dogs with packmates.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 20:36:23 GMT -5
This would not happen under normal conditions but lets say a very large wolf pack desperate for survival had their eyes fixed on a big male grizzly (Yellow Stone). In your opinions, how many wolves would it take to bring down the bear? Once again, I doubt this would happen due to the extreme risk of this. Hell even a black bear is too risky, but thoughts? The 37 Wolf Druid Peak Pack in 2001 with 21 yearling and 11 adults would absolutely destroy every grizzly IF they would attack together and don't worry about losing some members. The Pack was so enormous that they divided in 4 groups in 2002 : Druid, Agate Creek, Buffalo Fork and Geode Creek. Iconic Male 21M and "The Cinderella Wolf" Female #42F Were the alpha pair at that moment. They (21M, born in 1995, from 1996/1997-2004) and 42F (Born in 1995, From 2000-2004) led the pack.
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Post by brobear on May 20, 2020 4:23:52 GMT -5
Well, it is impossible to answer with an exact number on this question. But I would say that 10 big healthy Alaskan timber wolves working as a team could kill a big boar grizzly. Maybe fewer wolves than that. Perhaps only half as many; working like a well-oiled machine. I wish I had saved an article I once read. A lion pride was compared with a wolf pack. According the the study, a pack of wolves are much better organized and use much more complex strategy in their hunts. I would dare say that an average pack of wolves could kill a big boar grizzly; but not without cost. ( IMHO ).
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 0:58:47 GMT -5
Well, it is impossible to answer with an exact number on this question. But I would say that 10 big healthy Alaskan timber wolves working as a team could kill a big boar grizzly. Maybe fewer wolves than that. Perhaps only half as many; working like a well-oiled machine. I wish I had saved an article I once read. A lion pride was compared with a wolf pack. According the the study, a pack of wolves are much better organized and use much more complex strategy in their hunts. I would dare say that an average pack of wolves could kill a big boar grizzly; but not without cost. ( IMHO ). What are the differences exactly?
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Post by brobear on May 22, 2020 2:13:42 GMT -5
Well, it is impossible to answer with an exact number on this question. But I would say that 10 big healthy Alaskan timber wolves working as a team could kill a big boar grizzly. Maybe fewer wolves than that. Perhaps only half as many; working like a well-oiled machine. I wish I had saved an article I once read. A lion pride was compared with a wolf pack. According the the study, a pack of wolves are much better organized and use much more complex strategy in their hunts. I would dare say that an average pack of wolves could kill a big boar grizzly; but not without cost. ( IMHO ). What are the differences exactly? malikc6 If you are referring to lions and wolves; the wolves possess a higher level of intelligence.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 9:03:11 GMT -5
What are the differences exactly? malikc6 If you are referring to lions and wolves; the wolves possess a higher level of intelligence. Won't both animals attack in a similar style if against a large animal? Bite, retreat, maybe some manage to climb onto the animal and bite and tear and repeat?
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Post by brobear on May 22, 2020 9:09:00 GMT -5
malikc6 If you are referring to lions and wolves; the wolves possess a higher level of intelligence. Won't both animals attack in a similar style if against a large animal? Bite, retreat, maybe some manage to climb onto the animal and bite and tear and repeat? The article I read was referring to hunting strategy. Such as dividing into two, three, or even four separate groups, all intent on surrounding and then driving a herd of caribou in the direction of their choice. This is only an example. Their hunting strategies can be very complex. Like a military unit. Hopefully, we can rediscover this information one day.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jun 19, 2020 9:27:37 GMT -5
GRIZZLY BEAR DEFENDS KILL FROM WHOLE PACK OF WOLVES AT YELLOWSTONE NATIONAL PARK
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Post by brobear on Jun 20, 2020 7:24:32 GMT -5
shaggygod.proboards.com/thread/643/american-black-bear-profile Black bear interactions with wolves are much rarer than with brown bears, due to differences in habitat preferences. The majority of black bear encounters with wolves occur in the species' northern range, with no interactions being recorded in Mexico. Despite the black bear being more powerful on a one to one basis, packs of wolves have been recorded to kill black bears on numerous occasions without eating them. Unlike brown bears, black bears frequently lose against wolves in disputes over kills. Wolf packs are known to kill black bears during their hibernation cycle. There is at least one record of a black bear killing a wolverine in a dispute over food in Yellowstone National Park.
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Post by BruteStrength on Jun 21, 2020 0:17:56 GMT -5
What are your guys thought about this fight? Many people seem to think that a kangal can defeat any wolf species. I personally think a large Mackenzie Valley wolf will defeat a kangal.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jun 21, 2020 1:08:50 GMT -5
I am not really sure as I hardly participate in this debate. I like the wolf better out of the two.
It probably depends on the size and aggression of individuals.
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Post by brobear on Jun 21, 2020 5:52:35 GMT -5
First of all Brute; welcome home! Yeah, my nickel is on the wolf. I had a friend in Florida who had a place somewhat country - big yards and houses not so close. On one side, she had a neighbor who raised Rottweilers. On the other side she had a neighbor with a wolf/dog hybrid - Alaskan grey wolf and Alaskan Malamute. Normally everyone was really good at keeping their dogs up. Good thing as my friend, Donna was a "Cat Woman" with lots of cats. Anyway... one day the big male Rottie got loose. Unfortunately he ended up discovering the wolf-dog. Donna told me that she didn't see it; but she heard it. The fight was brief. The wolf-dog ripped the Rottie's throat out.
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Post by BruteStrength on Jun 21, 2020 14:31:04 GMT -5
Wow the wolfdog ripped the rottweiler throat. I have this video of a pitbull fighting a wolf but I don't know if I can post the fight here. I want your thoughts on it.
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Post by brobear on Jun 21, 2020 18:20:38 GMT -5
Wow the wolfdog ripped the rottweiler throat. I have this video of a pitbull fighting a wolf but I don't know if I can post the fight here. I want your thoughts on it. No, we do not want to get domesticated dog fight topics or videos started here.
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Post by BruteStrength on Jun 21, 2020 21:10:39 GMT -5
Ok the video was pretty violent. There was blood.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jun 21, 2020 22:48:23 GMT -5
Also it is against the rules of proboards to post it here. Posting these videos can literally get the for to shut down.
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