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Post by BruteStrength on Aug 3, 2021 5:53:48 GMT -5
Are there any records of adult male boars killing adult brown bears?
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Post by brobear on Aug 3, 2021 6:56:43 GMT -5
Are there any records of adult male boars killing adult brown bears? I haven't stumbled upon any data, but I would wager it has happened more than once. A healthy male wild boar is no joke.
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Post by BruteStrength on Aug 4, 2021 5:44:10 GMT -5
Ok well if a boar were to defeat a big grizz what size boar would be needed to accomplish this?
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Post by brobear on Aug 4, 2021 6:04:09 GMT -5
Ok well if a boar were to defeat a big grizz what size boar would be needed to accomplish this? Brown bears hunt and kill big male wild boars in fights. But, those sharp ivory tusks can grow to nearly 5 inches long. A deep cut on the bears face or throat area might cause a fatal wound ( IMO ). I remember when a boar hog cut the face of a huge Herford bull ( the bull was trying to play - hogs don't play ). These were in my father-in-law's pasture. The bull bled to death.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Aug 4, 2021 7:50:03 GMT -5
/\ Goring with horns is different from cutting with knives. While bovines can hurt others with their horns even upclose, they need to charge to inflict maximum effect. A wild boar’s tusk is able to cut deadly wounds even upclose by shaking its head.
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Post by brobear on Nov 3, 2021 14:45:55 GMT -5
/\ Goring with horns is different from cutting with knives. While bovines can hurt others with their horns even upclose, they need to charge to inflict maximum effect. A wild boar’s tusk is able to cut deadly wounds even upclose by shaking its head. Regardless of the size of a wild boar, he is potential prey of a mature male brown bear. According to more than one book that I read about the "historic grizzly", these bears have a preference to "pork" above all other meats.
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Post by brobear on Dec 5, 2021 7:04:34 GMT -5
By Wolverine - 2018. Despite the brown bear and the male wild boar with similar body mass are probably almost equal in physical power its obvious that bear is much more enduring, sturdy and capable to exhaust the boar. The bear is like an energiser, for boar is easier to get tired. Endurance is probably one of the main advantages of brown bear to majority of other animals including cats. Thick lyers of fat also protect brown bear from sharp canine teeth of the boar, sometimes in Eastern Europe hunters kill a bears with broken boar's canine teeth in their bodies without being inflicted any life-threatening consiquenses. And of course the bear is smarter. The boar is braver, exactly when wounded doesn't know any fear.
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Post by brobear on Jan 7, 2022 8:00:14 GMT -5
It is not uncommon for a male brown bear to go head-to-head against any adversary willing to do so. In the RFE, more adult wild boar are killed by brown bears than by tigers. While one might suggest that this is because there are more bears within the Russian wild boar's habitat than there are tigers, I doubt that the same can be said for red deer and other prey choices of the tiger. A male tiger can and will ambush and kill a big wild boar, but probably not very often. The tigress most likely sticks to sows and piglets. In a face-off, male Amur tiger vs male Russian wild boar, my nickel is on the wild boar winning more often than not. Against a full-grown male Ussuri brown bear, both the tiger and the wild boar come out in second place.
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Post by tom on Jan 7, 2022 13:52:31 GMT -5
Against a full-grown male Ussuri brown bear, both the tiger and the wild boar come out in second place. This would be a face-off but since the Tiger likely would try and take the boar by ambush would you not agree the odds favor the Tiger?
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Post by brobear on Jan 7, 2022 15:09:11 GMT -5
Against a full-grown male Ussuri brown bear, both the tiger and the wild boar come out in second place. This would be a face-off but since the Tiger likely would try and take the boar by ambush would you not agree the odds favor the Tiger? Yes, tigers have been known to ambush full-grown Russian wild boar. They are successful in killing the boar hog ( probably ) 8 or 9 attempts out of 10. Also ( IMO ) the only way that a tiger is going to fight with a big wild boar face-to-face is if the tiger feels cornered. In a face-off, the odds probably switch in favor of the wild boar.
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Post by brobear on Jan 8, 2022 7:26:26 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Jan 8, 2022 8:21:37 GMT -5
Assam: Royal Bengal Tiger, wild boar die in rare clash at Kaziranga timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/guwahati/assam-royal-bengal-tiger-wild-boar-die-in-rare-clash-at-kaziranga/articleshow/77970871.cms JORHAT: A fight between a wild boar and a tiger is supposed to be a one-sided contest. But a different story played out at .. *NOTE: The Kaziranga Royal Bengal tiger is ( reportedly ) the strongest and heaviest of tigers. The Indian wild boar is nowhere near the size of a Russian wild boar. Normally, a tiger kills a wild boar from ambush. Evidently, this ambush did not go as planned, and the tiger ended-up in a face-to-face fight. *Note: at this point, we have 150+ posts ( 8 pages ) much of it showing that the Ussuri brown bear will, without hesitation, fight the biggest male wild boar face-to-face. Tigers have also been known to kill large male boars, but always from ambush, and not nearly as often. Note also, the term "wild boar" is used for both sows and boars with this species.
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Post by brobear on Apr 21, 2022 11:34:53 GMT -5
Even though the brown bear spends a very short amount of time hunting while the tiger hunts all year long, the brown bear kills far more adult wild boar than do tigers.
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Post by theundertaker45 on Apr 21, 2022 11:41:07 GMT -5
The brown bear seems to be a specialized wild boar predator from October until December killing a total of 146 wild boars compared to 38 wild boars during the rest of the year (January - September). Over 60% of the wild boar kills are boarlets/subadults and the rest adult females/males; normally the bears would hold their hibernaculum during these months but those who don't may become habitual wild boar killers.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Apr 28, 2022 4:12:19 GMT -5
Reply 152. Do you know the date of the chart ? I think there was a time when Siberian tigers were more rare these days too, hence, the brown bear will have more kills. While I support a male brown bear over a male tiger, I believe that in a place where there are equal numbers of brown bears and tigers, the tiger will have more wild boar kills simply because it is a better hunter.
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Post by brobear on May 6, 2022 15:53:36 GMT -5
Credits to Styx38 - Here are some Wild Boar Weights in the Soviet Union, now parts of Russia, Central Asia and Eastern Europe. source: Baskin, Leonid, and Kjell Danell. Ecology of ungulates: a handbook of species in Eastern Europe and Northern and Central Asia. Springer Science & Business Media, 2003.
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Post by brobear on May 6, 2022 16:00:44 GMT -5
The heaviest boar in this study weighed 285 kg or 628 pounds. It appears that wild boar of this size are uncommon. ( IMO ) due to hunters or predators? We have here ( at this point ) eight pages with 155 posts on brown bears and wild boar interactions showing that an adult male brown bear will not hesitate to brawl with a wild boar of any size head-on. A tiger is a hard-wired ambush predator and I personally have my doubts that he would choose to ambush a wild boar exceeding his own size/weight. Wild boar, also known as wild pig, (Sus scrofa) is a species of the pig genus Sus, part of the biological family Suidae. The species includes many subspecies. It is the wild ancestor of the domestic pig, an animal with which it freely hybridises. Wild boar are native across much of Northern and Central Europe, the Mediterranean Region (including North Africa's Atlas Mountains) and much of Asia as far south as Indonesia. Adult boars measure 90–200 cm (35–79 in) in length, not counting a tail of 15–40 cm (5.9–16 in), and have a shoulder height of 55–110 cm (22–43 in). In Northeastern Asia, large males can reach brown bear-like sizes, weighing 270 kg (600 lb) and measuring 110–118 cm (43–46 in) in shoulder height. Some adult males in Ussuriland and Manchuria have been recorded to weigh 300–350 kg (660–770 lb) and measure 125 cm (49 in) in shoulder height.The Ussuri Boar is the largest subspecies, it has usually dark hair and a white band extending from the corners of the mouth to the ears. The lacrimal bones are shortened, but longer than those of S. s. sibiricus.
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Post by brobear on Jun 13, 2022 6:32:04 GMT -5
Credits to Wolverine: brotherbear Wrote: Thank you Wolverine. I have watched that old video so many times! My take: One killing strategy of a grizzly is to wear down his prey or opponent until it is completely exhausted. Then, he can take his time in the actual killing which is often, as is in this case, a bite to the spine. Too bad this event was not filmed by naturalists instead of a truckload of Russian red-necks. _____________________________________________________
Despite the brown bear and the male wild boar with similar body mass are probably almost equal in physical power its obvious that bear is much more enduring, sturdy and capable to exhaust the boar. The bear is like an energiser, for boar is easier to get tired. Endurance is probably one of the main advantages of brown bear to majority of other animals including cats. Thick lyers of fat also protect brown bear from sharp canine teeth of the boar, sometimes in Eastern Europe hunters kill a bears with broken boar's canine teeth in their bodies without being inflicted any life-threatening consiquenses. And of course the bear is smarter. The boar is braver, exactly when wounded doesn't know any fear.
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Post by brobear on Jun 13, 2022 6:34:30 GMT -5
More from Wolverine ( 2018 ): During childhood I red one curious hunting story from Bulgaria, probably there is some fantasy there, but maybe in same time the story was based on a real case. Its happen that that on narrow game trail in the forest a brown bear and a huge male wild boar ran into each other. Both animals were surprised and nobody wanted to withdrow from the trail first, the tention started to increase. Suddenly the bear noticed a branch above its head and climbed on it, leaving the boar opportunity to pass the trail beneath. Than that scenario start to repeat almost every day for many weeks, both the bear and wild boar strangely liked to do same weird ritual. Sometimes even the bear waited the boar above the same tree for a hour and than climbed to the branch kinda playng with the huge boar. But one day a tragedy happened. Branch suddenly crashed and the bear fell exactly on the head of the boar... Both animals were shocked, suddenly became very aggressive to each other and a mortal fight began. The bear killed the boar but the boar succeeded to penetrate with his sharp canine teeth the bear's abdominal aria and it also died not long after that later found by hunters... Don't know how this old story from the hunting novel is true, but in generally bears are enough smart animals and probably sometimes could be in "playing mood" with other animals.
In general brown bears of course have a weight advantage to the boar. As long as I know the largest both brown bears and wild boars in Europe live in Carphatian mountains in Romanian Transilvania (also known as a "Draculla-land") with average weight of adult male Carphatian brown bear at 260 kg and average weight of adult male Carpathian wild boar of about 110-130 kg if I am not wrong. So that is 2,3 times advantage of the body mass... and such a struggle would not be very fear. But in case a boar is huge (the record for Romania is 275 kg) and equal to the bear's mass he could be formidable adversary. I don't think that a wild boar could kill a brown bear, but for sure sometimes boars inflict a wounds on the bears trying to hunt them, and the prove of this is that sometimes the hunters discover a broken boar's canine teeth in bear's flash.
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Post by brobear on Jun 13, 2022 6:36:04 GMT -5
Pintu Uike - Wild boar v sloth bear. Tadoba buffer,
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