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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 30, 2020 16:13:45 GMT -5
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 30, 2020 16:15:42 GMT -5
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 30, 2020 16:16:59 GMT -5
And there is more than that. See Cheetah? We have more boars killing tigers than boars killing bears. Anyhow, your account was a black bear as that took place in Arkansas.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 30, 2020 16:32:45 GMT -5
brobear: Were there any grizzly bears in Arkansas in the year 1813?
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Post by brobear on Nov 30, 2020 16:35:28 GMT -5
This tale sounds realistic. I live in razorback country and there are black bears out there too. It is believed that a black bear will steal a piglet once in a while. Noone that I know of has ever found any sold evidence of black bears preying upon grown hogs. I have seen up close some very impressive wild hogs ( actually feral ). I also know firsthand what a big domestic boar can do. My father-in-law had a big Herford bull that had decided to be playful one day, and chose the wrong playmate. He tried to play with a big boar hog. The hog slashed the bull's face - evidently cut into an artery. Killed the bull.
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Post by brobear on Nov 30, 2020 16:38:01 GMT -5
brobear : Were there any grizzly bears in Arkansas in the year 1813? Unless I missed it; the story merely says bear. Black bear. When it is a grizzly; that is always specified.
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Post by brobear on Nov 30, 2020 16:39:27 GMT -5
brobear : Were there any grizzly bears in Arkansas in the year 1813? I don't believe there were ever any grizzlies in Arkansaw - not since the Pleistocene.
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Post by brobear on Nov 30, 2020 16:42:06 GMT -5
shaggygod.proboards.com/thread/1171/black-bear-boar "Told the game warden about some bear tracks we've been picking up around one of our hog feeders, so they set up a trap to catch him. The bear also seems to like pork too, as we found this freshly killed hog next to the trap when we caught him, he'd broken the hog's back with one bite...."
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 30, 2020 16:42:09 GMT -5
brobear : Were there any grizzly bears in Arkansas in the year 1813? I don't believe there were ever any grizzlies in Arkansaw - not since the Pleistocene. Right, i searched and found nothing on grizzly bears in Arkansas. This means a "large male hog" killed a black bear in a fight. Good account. (I am pretty sure i had posted that same account somewhere).
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Post by brobear on Nov 30, 2020 16:43:32 GMT -5
shaggygod.proboards.com/thread/709/wild-boar Black Bear – The black bear is known to prey on feral hogs of all ages; however, the impact of predation by this bear on feral hog populations is not known. Some researchers have speculated that black bears probably kill few if any feral hogs, especially given that an adult hog would represent a formidable adversary for a black bear. In fact, in the 1920s a feral boar in the Okefenokee Swamp was reported to have killed a black bear in a fight between the two animals. Similar accounts of feral boars killing bears during fights in the Ozark Mountains of Arkansas were reported in the 1880s. Being opportunistic, black bears have been reported to raid nylon net live traps used for feral hog control at high elevations in the to obtain any trapped hogs contained within these devices.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 30, 2020 18:43:32 GMT -5
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 10, 2020 4:52:57 GMT -5
Wild boars are actually have one of the thickest necks in proportion to their body size.
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Post by brobear on Dec 10, 2020 5:17:48 GMT -5
HERE I FOUND A BOAR BASICALLY DESTROYING A BLACK BEAR IN ARKANSAS:
A BOAR KILLS A BEAR IN A CANE BRAKE By S. C. Tumbo
Occasionally a wild boar and a bear would meet when plenty of bear infested the upper White River country and a hard fight would ensue, the result of which either one or both of them would be slain. Away back when Arkansas was not a state Mike Yocum as we have said elsewhere settled in the river bottom just above the mouth of Shoal Creek. In what is now Boone County, Ark. This land was afterwards known as the Billy Holt place. Allin Trimble was Mike Yocum’s stepson and Trimble who was born in 1815 was a small boy when Mr. Yocum his stepfather lived in this bottom. One day in August, 1813, Mr. Trimble told me the following story about an encounter between a boar and bear that met in the cane in this bottom after Yocum settled here and engaged in a desperate fight leaving only one of the combatants alive. In this case it was not a wild boar that fought the bear, but a tame one. Mr. Trimble said that his stepfather owned a fine bunch of hogs which kept fat on the mast and vegetation in this bottom, but it was a serious task to prevent the wild beasts from destroying them. Among the bunch was a large male hog and a fine white sow, but my stepfather shot and killed the sow one day through mistake. He was passing through the cane toward the river bank when he noticed the glimpse of an animal following him. Thinking it was a panther he aimed his rifle at the object and pulled the trigger and a bullet crushed through the skull of the sow. Stepfather regretted that he never took time to find out what the animal was before he shot. Well, to the encounter between the boar and bear," said Mr. Trimble. "One day the hogs all came running to the yard fence except the boar. The hogs were in an uproar and had been disturbed by a wild beast which we supposed was a panther. We waited anxiously for the boar to put in an appearance. But the missing hog did not come up until two hours after the first ones had shown up. He was in a bad plight—was seriously wounded and covered with blood. He had been in a desperate combat with a wild beast and he was greatly angered and restless. We traced the back track of the boar through the cane to the spot where the encounter took place. A bear lay dead where the ferocious animals had struggled together. Cane, weeds, and paw paw bushes were mashed flat to the ground. Blood was sprinkled on the ground and foliage. The bear was mangled by the boar’s tusks almost beyond description. Deep gashes were cut and torn all over its body and legs. The greatest wounds were inflicted on its belly, breast behind the shoulders. It seemed that bruin was bent on fillin up on a mess of fresh pork but his attack on the bunch of swine was so stoutly resisted by the boar that his bearship was compelled to give up the feast and his life too," said Mr. Trimble.
thelibrary.org/lochist/turnbo/V14/ST439.html
King Kodiak says - Quote: Here i found it, i knew i had posted that account somewhere in this forum, it was posted almost 2 years ago:
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Post by brobear on Dec 14, 2020 11:23:21 GMT -5
WORLD OF PREHISTORIC CREATURES Lindsey Kinsella: Age of Genesis shared a post. Pigs are just fat, lazy balls of bacon, right? Harmless, surely. Wrong! Pigs will take your damn hand off. Sharp tusks and incredibly strong jaws make even domestic pigs dangerous when provoked. Wild boar, with their famously bad temper, are most certainly not to be trifled with. So spare a thought for the inhabitants of the early Miocene Indian subcontinent who shared their landscape with Megalochoerus; a 2m high, 1.6 tonne pig. At least, those are the best estimates for its size. Other estimates range from 500kg to an enormous (though fairly unlikely) 3 tonnes. Regardless, even a half tonne pig was something to be feared. To date very little is known about this creature and fossil evidence is rather scarce. Until we find more remains much about it will remain a mystery. Illustration by Hodari Nundu.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 14, 2020 11:24:53 GMT -5
Even domestic pigs can be dangerous. It is not safe to underestimate them.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 22, 2021 1:51:17 GMT -5
BEAR KILLS WILD BOAR:
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Post by brobear on Mar 24, 2021 1:03:33 GMT -5
Here is some good hard evidence that - YES - American black bears do prey upon razor-back hogs - courtesy of King Kodiak. The hillbilly in the vehicle said that the bear was leaving because he was "wore-out" - wrong. The bear was nervous during this entire event because of all the human spectators. Professional naturalists know how to stay still and quiet.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 24, 2021 7:30:33 GMT -5
Reply #136, is not everyday we get footage like that of a bear predation. Much less of a black bear.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Mar 26, 2021 18:21:28 GMT -5
Reply 136. The hog must be suffering badly as the black bear is eating into him.
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Post by brobear on Jul 5, 2021 7:19:42 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietary_biology_of_the_brown_bear In some parts of eastern Europe and Russia, wild boar (Sus scrofa) may be taken in surprisingly large quantities, considering the mostly herbivorous reputation of bears in these regions. One study from the Amur territory of Russia found that brown bears were actually more prolific killers of wild boars than both tigers and gray wolves, but these results are probably biased due to the scarcity of tigers in the region because of overhunting of the big cat. *I will add, in my own words, several of the books I've read concerning the historic American grizzly of the "Old West" stated that a grizzly will walk past sheep, cattle, horses, and other livestock and choose domestic hogs above all others.
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