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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 28, 2019 20:34:48 GMT -5
Guys, I thought this was about grizzly-wild boar relations, not tiger-boar relations. And you are 100% correct. But we also have to show how the striped cat gets whipped by boars and other animals.
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Post by tom on Dec 2, 2019 11:41:58 GMT -5
Guys, I thought this was about grizzly-wild boar relations, not tiger-boar relations. And you are 100% correct. But we also have to show how the striped cat gets whipped by boars and other animals.We can do this in another thread in General Discussions if need be. I agree lets keep this thread about Grizzly and Wild Boar.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 2, 2019 17:16:19 GMT -5
And you are 100% correct. But we also have to show how the striped cat gets whipped by boars and other animals. We can do this in another thread in General Discussions if need be. I agree lets keep this thread about Grizzly and Wild Boar. Ok no problem. Grizzly vs wild boar.
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Post by brobear on Feb 22, 2020 10:24:33 GMT -5
Amazing amateur video about struggle between brown bear and wild boar shot somewhere in Russia: ( by Wolverine )
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Post by brobear on Feb 22, 2020 10:26:08 GMT -5
Thank you Wolverine. I have watched that old video so many times! My take: One killing strategy of a grizzly is to wear down his prey or opponent until it is completely exhausted. Then, he can take his time in the actual killing which is often, as is in this case, a bite to the spine. Too bad this event was not filmed by naturalists instead of a truckload of Russian red-necks. Wolverine says: Despite the brown bear and the male wild boar with similar body mass are probably almost equal in physical power its obvious that bear is much more enduring, sturdy and capable to exhaust the boar. The bear is like an energiser, for boar is easier to get tired. Endurance is probably one of the main advantages of brown bear to majority of other animals including cats. Thick lyers of fat also protect brown bear from sharp canine teeth of the boar, sometimes in Eastern Europe hunters kill a bears with broken boar's canine teeth in their bodies without being inflicted any life-threatening consiquenses. And of course the bear is smarter. The boar is braver, exactly when wounded doesn't know any fear.
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Post by brobear on Feb 22, 2020 10:29:00 GMT -5
Wolverine: During childhood I red one curious hunting story from Bulgaria, probably there is some fantasy there, but maybe in same time the story was based on a real case. Its happen that that on narrow game trail in the forest a brown bear and a huge male wild boar ran into each other. Both animals were surprised and nobody wanted to withdrow from the trail first, the tention started to increase. Suddenly the bear noticed a branch above its head and climbed on it, leaving the boar opportunity to pass the trail beneath. Than that scenario start to repeat almost every day for many weeks, both the bear and wild boar strangely liked to do same weird ritual. Sometimes even the bear waited the boar above the same tree for a hour and than climbed to the branch kinda playng with the huge boar. But one day a tragedy happened. Branch suddenly crashed and the bear fell exactly on the head of the boar... Both animals were shocked, suddenly became very aggressive to each other and a mortal fight began. The bear killed the boar but the boar succeeded to penetrate with his sharp canine teeth the bear's abdominal aria and it also died not long after that later found by hunters... Don't know how this old story from the hunting novel is true, but in generally bears are enough smart animals and probably sometimes could be in "playing mood" with other animals.
In general brown bears of course have a weight advantage to the boar. As long as I know the largest both brown bears and wild boars in Europe live in Carphatian mountains in Romanian Transilvania (also known as a "Draculla-land") with average weight of adult male Carphatian brown bear at 260 kg and average weight of adult male Carpathian wild boar of about 110-130 kg if I am not wrong. So that is 2,3 times advantage of the body mass... and such a struggle would not be very fear. But in case a boar is huge (the record for Romania is 275 kg) and equal to the bear's mass he could be formidable adversary. I don't think that a wild boar could kill a brown bear, but for sure sometimes boars inflict a wounds on the bears trying to hunt them, and the prove of this is that sometimes the hunters discover a broken boar's canine teeth in bear's flash.
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Post by brobear on Feb 25, 2020 5:35:48 GMT -5
By Peter: 3 - Himalayan black bear and wild boar In 1993, 'Tiger, deer and ginseng', written by V. Jankowski, was published (in Russian). This is the book in which the very large Sungari river tiger is discussed. During the debate about the tiger and the bear he had killed a few days before he was shot, Warsaw, Wolverine and WaveRiders posted translations of the part in which the tiger featured. These enabled me to get to a kind of reconstruction. I'll post it soon. As to the large male Himalayan black bear and the wild boar he killed. When he was out for tigers troubling a small village, V. Jankowski saw a large wild boar in a riverine forest. At least, that's what he thought. He shot the 'boar'. When he went over to see what had happened, he saw he had shot a well-fed male Himalayan black bear. The bear had killed a large male wild boar. It was the first time he saw a wild boar killed by a Himalayan black bear. Himalayan male bears average 130-140 kg., but individual variation is pronounced. Large males can reach 180-200 kg., if not more. Males of that size do not fear tigers and apparently are able to hunt as well. Here's Valery Jankowski with a large Himalayan black bear. I don't know if it is the bear mentioned in his book, but it shows that some males can reach a great size: Here's another one. Adult male Ussuri wild boar (354 kg. or 781 pounds) and adult grey wolf:
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 25, 2020 6:26:19 GMT -5
Great account brobear. Never seen that. Himalayan black bear killed a large male boar. Awesome.
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Post by brobear on Mar 2, 2020 12:54:51 GMT -5
carnivora.net/siberian-tiger-interactions-with-brown-bears-asiat-t101.html Posted by Warsaw: For a period that overlaps our study period in SABZ, and based on kill data, Miller et al. (2013) report that red deer comprised a much greater proportion of the biomass intake (43.6%) than is revealed from our scat data (14.12%). This difference is partially attributable to the fact that biomass intake estimated from kill data is adjusted by the sex–age class of the kill, something that is unknown from scat analyses. Many wild boar killed by tigers are subadults and piglets (67.7% of kills reported by Miller et al. [2013]), while over 70% of the red deer kills were adults (Miller et al. 2013). Hence, the relative contribution of wild boars to the diet of tigers will be adjusted downward when the body size of the kill is taken into account. Usually, it is assumed that, with a larger sample size, scat data better capture the rare and smaller prey items. However, with a few exceptions, the list of prey and relative importance of prey species from Miller et al. (2013) and our analyses are very similar. *As with bears, tigers normally prey upon smaller ( younger ) wild boar.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 2, 2020 17:54:38 GMT -5
Well, tiger knows that deer is not as dangerous to hunt as wild boar, that is why it goes for the adults. Most should be females anyhow.
Add: there are several accounts of Russian wild boar that have killed Amur tigers.
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Post by brobear on Mar 2, 2020 18:06:54 GMT -5
Reply #84 on this page has the old video that I'm sure all have watched. This is a young grizzly ( maybe 6 or 7 years old ) taking control of a wild boar equal in size with himself. When it comes down to hogs ( probably the grizzly's preference in meat ) he goes after the big ones.
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Post by brobear on May 4, 2020 5:17:22 GMT -5
sarus - shaggygod.proboards.com/thread/709/wild-boar Black Bear – The black bear is known to prey on feral hogs of all ages; however, the impact of predation by this bear on feral hog populations is not known. Some researchers have speculated that black bears probably kill few if any feral hogs, especially given that an adult hog would represent a formidable adversary for a black bear. In fact, in the 1920s a feral boar in the Okefenokee Swamp was reported to have killed a black bear in a fight between the two animals. Similar accounts of feral boars killing bears during fights in the Ozark Mountains of Arkansas were reported in the 1880s. Being opportunistic, black bears have been reported to raid nylon net live traps used for feral hog control at high elevations in the to obtain any trapped hogs contained within these devices.
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Post by brobear on May 4, 2020 6:36:27 GMT -5
brobear King Kodiak Here it is: a max. sized Ussuri wild boar (125cm at the shoulders) taking on the average Ussuri brown bear (115cm at the shoulders).
Who else besides myself would love to be an eye-witness to this face-off as they battle for the title of "King of the Omnivores"?
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Post by King Kodiak on May 4, 2020 10:17:20 GMT -5
I would not mind. Now looking at the comparison pic above, you can clearly see why we have accounts of wild boars killing tigers.
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Post by brobear on May 4, 2020 10:25:32 GMT -5
I would not mind. Now looking at the comparison pic above, you can clearly see why we have accounts of wild boars killing tigers. Yeah, a tiger could only manage this through an ambush. I'm not at all certain that a tiger would even attempt an ambush on this big guy. A grizzly is willing to go face-to-face with this monster. Of course, just as with the hog, some bears are bigger than others. Against a boar hog, the bear's grappling ability really pays off.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on May 6, 2020 6:37:22 GMT -5
brobear King Kodiak Here it is: a max. sized Ussuri wild boar (125cm at the shoulders) taking on the average Ussuri brown bear (115cm at the shoulders).
Who else besides myself would love to be an eye-witness to this face-off as they battle for the title of "King of the Omnivores"? Personally, I would like to see more battles between these two. There is one video of this actually happening.
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Post by King Kodiak on May 6, 2020 9:27:43 GMT -5
THE USSURI MALE WILD BOAR AVERAGES 120 KG (264 LBS). THE LARGEST THEY FOUND IN THIS STUDY WAS 238 KG (524 LBS).
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Post by brobear on May 16, 2020 5:36:20 GMT -5
I have personally been very close to this out in the woods; Skidaway Island near Savannah, Ga. Razorbacks can be found in most Southern states, but are mostly in what I will refer to as "wet woods". Some believe that black bears prey on these wild hogs. Personally, have no doubts that an adult black bear will catch and kill an occasional pig but probably leave the grown hogs alone. Just my opinion.
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Post by brobear on May 24, 2020 9:09:50 GMT -5
This sounds like a work of fiction for a children's book:
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on May 24, 2020 9:39:48 GMT -5
/\Who is the author of the book and what is the title ? That’s a google way to find out if the book is real or fake 😊.
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