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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 7, 2019 21:37:13 GMT -5
Consider the individual confrontations we have discovered. Then consider that the blood-sports of the ancient Roman arena lasted roughly 1,000 years. Now consider ( very conservatively ) if there were only two lion vs bear fights in the games per year, then that would amount to 2,000 victories for the King of Beasts - the BEAR. Wow, what a nice theory. Even 1 fight per year would be about 1000 fights.
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Post by Kamchatka on Jan 9, 2019 18:36:08 GMT -5
Relic of lion kept in Sweden is of curious interest. Here is another one kept in Britain. www.victorianmicroscopeslides.com/wallace.htmLion named 'Wallace' was unusually fierce for a captive bred/raised lion. Bears had been subject to 'baiting' by dogs for centuries as public 'sport'. When 'Wallace' was subjected to this, prime bulldogs were savaged so hard there was outrage. Even in brutal 1800's Britain this was deemed unacceptable as entertainment.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 9, 2019 18:43:43 GMT -5
Yeah great, but look at the date, its the 1800’s, We know the lion was proclaimed king by the church after about 1200.
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Post by Kamchatka on Jan 9, 2019 19:05:10 GMT -5
No.
Western Europeans went to Middle East to fight 'Crusades' on order of Pope.
Byzantines/Romans who were there for many centuries before always kept lions.
English King Richard I took title of 'lion heart' for service as 'Crusader'.
English Royal Standard subsequently bore symbolic lion.
Bears and bulls could be controlled by chain to metal ring through sensitive nose.
Lions could not.
But lions were kept in 'Tower of London' by Royal order.
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Post by brobear on Jan 10, 2019 0:01:10 GMT -5
www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofEngland/Richard-Lionheart/ The war on the bear had already been fought and the lion had been proclaimed as King of Beasts by the Church. The biggest fiercest bears of Europe had been eradicated. Yes, it is true that bears raised from cubs are more trustworthy than lions. Before the year 1000 AD, King Arthur was "the Bear King" and later came King Richard the "Lionheart". In all of Europe, before the Church hand-picked the lion to replace the bear, it was the bear and the boar whose images adorned the shields and banners of kings and warriors. Many beasts were kept in the Tower of London ( unfortunately for the animals ). www.theparisreview.org/blog/2016/09/22/rare-beasts-birds-calaboose/
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 11, 2019 20:44:08 GMT -5
Page 217: he carried her off to his cave. He ravished the young girl and had “carnal pleasure with her” he embraced her, licked her. the bear came to her every night.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 14, 2019 16:30:31 GMT -5
Page 222: (this has to do with the fighting intelligence also).
In a combat between a bull and a bear, while the bull charges, leading with his horns, the bear rolls on the ground, this emphasizes the bear’s intelligence, he did not lay down out of fear of the bull, but to avoid his horns and wear him out.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 16, 2019 16:19:00 GMT -5
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 16, 2019 16:37:26 GMT -5
The opinion of a very smart man, check the author in the first post. He is correct.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 16:42:58 GMT -5
The opinion of a very smart man, check the author in the first post. He is correct. I meant "personal" opinion.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 16, 2019 23:23:02 GMT -5
Page 248: the revenge of the bear.
Roosevelt refused to kill the animal. “If i shoot that bear, i wont be able to look my boys in the face again”
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Post by brobear on Jan 27, 2019 17:43:12 GMT -5
Casey and the Bear
Three year old Casey Hathaway was found alive last night after having been missing for over two days in rain and frigid temperatures.
It was Linda Fraker that thought she heard crying when she was walking her dogs on Aurora Road in rural eastern NC. She contacted authorities and Shane Grier arrived.
Shane, captain of Chocowinity EMS, heard Casey calling for his mama, from deep in the woods where he was tangled in briars in a flooded area.
Casey was cold and wet, but verbal. He told his family that a bear was his best friend for two days, before requesting French fries from Wendy’s and television.
Tonight, Casey is still recovering from hypothermia at Carolina East Medical Center where he was visited by Grier, his new friend.
But, what about that bear?
It’s not the first time a missing child has made mention of one. In 1869, three year old Katie Flynn went missing in Manistee National Forest. She was found the next day alive and told searchers that “a big doggie” had stayed with her throughout the night.
In 1888, the New York Times reported a disappearance of a not quite three year old girl. She was found a day later, two miles away in a deep valley and shared that she had slept by a bear that kept her warm that night.
In 1955, Ida Mae Curtis went missing in Kootenai National Forrest in Montana. She, like Casey, was found two days later after 350 backwoodsmen searches in heavy rain. She relayed, to the best of a 2-year-old’s ability, being cuddled and comforted by a bear during the time she was missing.
The Montana Sheriff demanded that Ida Mae’s family stop telling the story of a bear caring for their little girl. He told them, “Quit telling that story. It could never happen. It didn’t happen and don’t say it anymore.”
I, for one, believe in bears.
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Post by brobear on Feb 3, 2019 2:07:32 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Feb 6, 2019 14:00:00 GMT -5
All peoples; every culture, that predated concrete and asphalt where brown bears lived placed the great bear above all other beasts.
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Post by brobear on Feb 13, 2019 3:26:48 GMT -5
The ( what we consider as primitive ) cultures of people connected bears with humans, believing that bears are related in some way with man-kind. The belief specifics differentiate , but all agree that man and bear are related.
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Post by brobear on Mar 10, 2019 2:41:37 GMT -5
Wolverine says: According to Michel Pastoureau the largest brown bears in the Roman arenas were coming from Carphatians, Dinaria and Caledonia. Its known that Carphatian brown bear from Romania even today is among the largest Eurasian bears, but for me is new that bears from Scotland (than called Caledonia) who has disapeared a centuries ago were so large. This means probably that Scotish rivers were plenty of salmon, otherwise have no explanation. *My response: Perhaps also, there was more game such as deer and boar. Perhaps also wolves. Just guessing.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 10, 2019 6:14:21 GMT -5
HERE IS THE STORY OF THE BROWN BEAR OF SCOTLAND (URSUS ARCTOS CALEDONIENSIS). ITS EVEN MENTIONED IT WAS USED FOR THE ROMAN GAMES.
Following on from my previous post about Scotland's extinct elks, I thought I'd follow it up with another, this time on our long-lost brown bears.
We know from a variety of sources that Scotland once had brown bears. Firstly, their bones have been discovered at a variety of sites, from Dumfriesshire in the extreme south to Caithness in the far north. This includes a near complete skeleton found in the bone caves near Inchnadamph in the north west corner of the Highlands (where my profile photo was taken). The youngest carbon-date so far from these bones was around 2700 years old. As with the elks, this shouldn't be interpreted as being the date of their extinction in Scotland. The cultural evidence suggests a much more recent occurrence here.
We know from the surviving works of Roman writers that bears from Caledonia were revered and prized in the arena for their large size and ferocity. Indeed during the opening festivities of the Coliseum in AD80, a Caledonian bear was unleashed on a bound and defenceless criminal for the entertainment of 50,000 people!
Bears were also depicted on several Pictish stone carvings dating from around the 8th and 9th centuries AD, including from Shetland, Easter Ross, Angus and Perthshire. The Gaelic word for bear is mathan. This has given us the modern Scottish surname of Mathieson, which is an anglicisation of MacMathan, literally 'Son of Bear'.
We don't know exactly when bears became extinct in Scotland, but it's likely they fell victim, perhaps in the later Middle Ages, to a mixture of deforestation, over-hunting and persecution arising from their likely attacks on livestock. The Cairngorms area may have been the last part of Britain to retain landscape-scale woodland cover, and could well have been the last stronghold of the Scottish, and indeed British, bear.
However, the most recent example of a free-ranging member of this species to wander the wilds of Scotland (just as with the elk curiously enough) was an escaped male named Hercules. While being filmed for a TV advert on Benbecula in the Outer Hebrides in 1980, Hercules the tame bear gave his handler, Andy Robin, the slip and went missing for over 3 weeks. He was eventually spotted swimming in the sea, tranquilised and then reunited with Andy, very hungry but otherwise unharmed.
David Hetherington David Hetherington Ecology Advisor at Cairngorms National Park Authority and author of 'The Lynx and Us' Follow
www.linkedin.com/pulse/short-history-scotlands-bears-david-hetherington
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 1:20:03 GMT -5
Choosing king of beasts is only a personal opinion.
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Post by brobear on Mar 15, 2019 3:58:07 GMT -5
Choosing king of beasts is only a personal opinion. Much more to it than that korol. In all of Europe, among all the animals, the bears was the most feared, the most respected, the most admired, and the one worshiped in cults widespread throughout Europe. The oldest evidence being the skull of a brown bear buried with a man in a primitive tomb 80,000 years ago. Neanderthal man probably worshiped bears. For certain they showed them special honors. The oldest known statue ever discovered is that of a bear. Now, the lion was indeed hand-picked. The big African cat was decided upon and chosen by the Church as a replacement animal for the bear. Bear cults were too common. Also, there were many superstitious beliefs about the bear. And so, the Church waged war upon the bear and replaced his image with that of a lion.
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