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Post by Sven. on Jan 5, 2019 21:25:43 GMT -5
As noted above, the account is listed in the Google books.
Look up 'The London and Paris Observer: Or Chronicle of News, Science, Literature and the Fine Arts.' Volume 6, March 28, 1830.
It contains the passage of the King's lion killing a local bear by test of combat, on page 195. I found it by this using this google entry: 'lions paw blow bear'
The full title of book reviewed - from which the account was lifted is:
'Field Sports of the North of Europe: comprised in a Personal Narrative of a Residence in Sweden and Norway in the years 1827-8.' By L.Lloyd Esq. Published in London by Golburn and Bentley in 1830.
The quote in the review goes:
"The King, of whom I have narrated so many anecdotes, had a very large lion presented by tone of the Barbary powers."
He then goes on to describe what occurred.
It is clear that Lloyd was describing an event that had occured earlier, and that he had not been an eye-witness to events, and further, being very impressed by the bears he had seen, was somewhat doubtful himself, but the Kings chronicle had recorded it at the time, and as the remains of the lion were kept ( albeit stuffed') in the Royal collection in honor of its feat, Lloyd included the story in his book.
Hope that helps.
Sven.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 5, 2019 21:33:43 GMT -5
Sven....i tried to find it, in google book search i put “The London and Paris Observer: Or Chronicle of News, Science, Literature and the Fine Arts.', thats what you said, and a whole bunch of crap shows up, but not the Barbary lion thing, why cant you post the book like i usually do? Take a screen shot of the page or post the link, simple.
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Post by brobear on Jan 5, 2019 21:50:56 GMT -5
Sven; thus far you have given us nothing substantial. We will return to the subject of Barbary lion killing a bear when you can SHOW us the data.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 5, 2019 21:55:50 GMT -5
Sven....why cant you just copy and paste the link? Its simple man. Or just take screen shot of the page like this look...
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 5, 2019 21:57:11 GMT -5
I swear i tried to find it but its very hard, a whole bunch of crap shows up, but not the fight.
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Post by Sven. on Jan 5, 2019 22:08:50 GMT -5
I would if I could, but my current device is too primitive, so apologies - for that.
Here is a verbatim transciption:
"The King, of whom I have just narrated so many anecdotes, had a very large lion presented to him by one of the Barbary powers. There were at this time several bears kept by the butchers about the shambles in Stockholm, and his majesty, being anxious to witness a recontre between one of these animals and the lion, ordered them to be brought into contact with each other.
In the lion's den there were two apartments, into which the bear was introduced. On the lion, however getting access to that animal, he found him posted in a corner, when, going up to him, he gave him a slight rap with his paw, as if to see of what materiels his visitor was composed of.
The bear, not liking this kind of salutation, growled, and endeavoured to parry. This made the lion angry: when 'with one fell swoop' as the story goes, he laid the bear dead at his feet."
Lloyd, not having withessed this fight himself, but having seen bears in action, then added:
"It is of course idle to make a comparison between the powers of the lion and the bear from the anecdote I have just related. I think however, that there are bears in the Scandinavian forests, that even the lord of the Africa deserts would find some difficulty in annihilating at a single blow."
Hope that helps.
Sven.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 5, 2019 22:39:58 GMT -5
Ok Sven....thats all find and good, but we still need the link, we need something other than just your own writing. If you can copy and paste that paragraph, then i dont see why you cant copy and paste the link.
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Post by Sven. on Jan 5, 2019 22:57:39 GMT -5
You do know what a "quote" is, dont you? And what 'verbatim' means, right?
My transcription is accurate. It is not my "own writing". If your 'google fu' is poor, sorry, but that's your problem, 'kodiak'. The google books entry exists, and you've read the relevant passage from it.
Hope that helps.
Sven.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 5, 2019 23:15:52 GMT -5
I dont doubt that you copied and pasted that. But we still need the link, until we dont see the actual account, then it does not exist. Copy and paste the link instead of the paragraph. Last time i will say it.
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Post by Sven. on Jan 5, 2019 23:33:49 GMT -5
To quote Shakespeare ( or paraphrase, actually):
'There are more things in heaven and earth kodiak, than dreamt of in your philosophy.'
The book certainly exists, even if I cannot directly link it, and you cannot so far find it - for yourself.
Or are you perhaps determined to miss the point, by default, because the report causes you some level of 'cognitive dissonance'?
Have you fact-checked Michel P's footnotes/references for accuracy too? Or do his writings satisfactorily comply with your 'confirmation bias'?
Do give these ideas some consideration, it will assist with your understanding.
Hope this helps.
Sven.
Hope this
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 5, 2019 23:45:17 GMT -5
Thats what i thought. No link. Account not valid. Thanks.
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Post by tom on Jan 6, 2019 0:44:39 GMT -5
I think I found the article he was talking about. Very small print so I tried to enlarge it some to see better. Top half
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Post by tom on Jan 6, 2019 0:46:44 GMT -5
bottom half.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 6, 2019 1:04:27 GMT -5
Thanks Tom. There you go, was that so hard? Ok, the lion won, what can i say? First point in favour of the barbary, still very very fay away. But the lion won that fight ok.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 6, 2019 1:08:01 GMT -5
Tom...just one more thing left to do, did you check what kind of book is it? Fiction, factual?
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Post by tom on Jan 6, 2019 1:27:53 GMT -5
Tom...just one more thing left to do, did you check what kind of book is it? Fiction, factual? I'll have to find the link again and get back to ya.
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Post by tom on Jan 6, 2019 1:41:20 GMT -5
Here's the link to the E-book for London and Paris Observer (news print) for 1830.You'll have to scroll down to find the correct day (March 28th), then look for page 195. By the way it wasn't easy to find. These are weekly newspaper editions, not books. I did not see anything referencing fact or fiction... books.google.com/books?id=Io5NAAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=editions:-6LIVuK6yPoC&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjfiZbyxdjfAhXH34MKHYhcAuc4ChDoAQgsMAE#v=onepage&q&f=falseThe article does not state what species of Bear, male or female, nor how large. What species of Bears would have inhabited Scandinavian countries back then, Eurasian Brown Bears?. the last portion of highlighted section also states that there are undoubtedly Bears in the Scandinavian forests that even the "Lord of the African desert would not annihilate with a single blow".
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Post by brobear on Jan 6, 2019 4:29:26 GMT -5
The bear, if this is a historical account rather than a work of fiction, is Scandinavian. All bears of Europe, after the extinction of the cave bear, were and are brown bears. From the account, quote: "it is of course idle to make a comparison between the powers of the lion and the bear from the anecdote I have just related. I think however that there are bears to be found in the Scandinavian forests that even the lord of the African dessert would find some difficulty in annihilating at a single blow." This suggests that the bear may have been either a young bear or a she-bear if not simply a small bear. This all sounds as if I am attempting to make excuses, but what I need are the facts.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 6, 2019 4:49:53 GMT -5
“I think however that there are bears to be found in the Scandinavian forests that even the lord of the African dessert would find some difficulty in annihilating at a single blow."
I totally agree with you Brobear, this statement here definatly tell us something. I dont make excuses and I dont doubt the barbary killed the bear, but since there is no age or sex or even a size description of the bear, we have to go by this phrase and believe that it wasnt the best bear to fight.
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Post by tom on Jan 6, 2019 10:28:51 GMT -5
I think however that there are bears to be found in the Scandinavian forests that even the lord of the African dessert would find some difficulty in annihilating at a single blow." This suggests that the bear may have been either a young bear or a she-bear if not simply a small bear. This all sounds as if I am attempting to make excuses, but what I need are the facts. You are NOT trying to make excuses. The article does not describe the Bear much if anything at all.
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