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Post by King Kodiak on May 18, 2020 19:40:16 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on May 19, 2020 4:56:34 GMT -5
Quote: THE BROWN BEAR OF THE NORTHWESTERN PART OF RUSSIA BELONGS TO THE SUBSPECIES URSUS ARCTOS ARCTOS. *Ursus arctos arctos is like Ursus arctos horribilis in the respect that each separate population has some minor differences and size difference. With a max weight of 400 kg ( 882 pounds ), these Euro-Russian bears were large bears. The max weight usually given for the Yellowstone grizzly is normally 600 pounds.
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Post by King Kodiak on May 19, 2020 5:40:43 GMT -5
Definitely yes. And although we dont have the average weights for most European brown bear populations, i am pretty sure that the largest are from the Carpathians, well we know the Romanian has an average weight of 590 lbs.
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Post by brobear on May 19, 2020 5:57:02 GMT -5
Definitely yes. And although we dont have the average weights for most European brown bear populations, i am pretty sure that the largest are from the Carpathians, well we know the Romanian has an average weight of 590 lbs. I agree; the largest are the Carpathians. And as 'Taker showed us in Reply #69, there is really very little difference is size among the European bears ( when compared with American bears ). Up until this past few weeks, I had always thought of European brown bears as being smaller than mountain grizzlies. This because writers would say "...but not as large as those brown bears found in North America." Evidently, they were referring to the coastal bears.
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Post by brobear on May 19, 2020 7:54:15 GMT -5
The smallest bear in Europe would probably be the Marsican brown bear.
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Post by King Kodiak on May 19, 2020 10:20:48 GMT -5
The smallest bear in Europe would probably be the Marsican brown bear. Most likely yes.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on May 19, 2020 19:02:01 GMT -5
The smallest bear in Europe would probably be the Marsican brown bear. They main stronghold is in the Abruzzo National Park of Italy.
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Post by brobear on Jun 4, 2020 5:30:52 GMT -5
www.researchgate.net/publication/226066053_Brown_bear_body_mass_and_growth_in_northern_and_southern_Europe Posted by Shadow: Now I found this, I knew that I had read this before, but I had to search it again. But this is good to read too, when thinking over the overall picture. Quote: "However, female brown bears may be larger in the Carpathian Mountains. Hell (1992) reported a mean mass of 140–160 kg and a maximum of 209 kg for adult females in Slovakia, most of which had been killed in the spring. In contrast with this, the adult male mass, primarily from spring males, appears to be lower in Slovakia than in our areas, with a mean of 170–190 kg and maximum of 328 kg. The lower masses for males and higher masses for females could be the result of a Slovakian policy to avoid shooting the largest bears in order to save older males (Salvatori et al. 2002), which might have resulted in biased sampling." "Greater masses have also been reported from the Romanian Carpathians, with average masses of 214 kg for females and 268 kg for males, but no further information on age or time of kill was provided, or data on whether these were especially large bears shot as trophies (Alma˘san and Vasiliu 1967). Thus, we do not know if brown bears actually are larger in the Carpathians than elsewhere in Europe."
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Post by King Kodiak on Jun 10, 2020 23:07:25 GMT -5
CANTABRIAN MALE BROWN BEAR KILLS A FEMALE AND EATS HER IN AN INFANTICIDE ATTEMPT. HE COULD NOT CATCH THE CUB.
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Post by brobear on Aug 17, 2020 4:23:22 GMT -5
education.turpentinecreek.org/species-information/brown-bear/ Taxonomy Kingdom: Animalia Phylum: Chordata Class: Mammalia Order: Carnivora Family: Ursidae Genus: Ursus Species: arctos Scientific Name: Ursus arctos Recognized Subspecies Caucasian brown bear – U. a. meridionalis East Siberian brown bear – U. a. yenisensis Eurasian Brown Bear – U. a. arctos Grizzly bear – U. a. horribilis Kashmir (Himalayan) brown bear – U. a. isabellinus Kamchatka brown bear – U. a. piscator Kodiak brown bear – U. a. middendorffi Syrian brown bear – U. a. syriacus Tibetan brown bear – U. a. pruinosus Ussuri brown bear – U. a. Lasiotus
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Post by brobear on Aug 17, 2020 4:26:59 GMT -5
www.diana-hunting.com/game/brown-bear-asia Brown Bear (Asia) Scientific Name: Ursus arctos Subspecies: A total of 10 subspecies have been described, eight of which live in this region: 1. European-Siberian Brown Bear (Ursus a. arctos): Western Siberia (and Europe). 2. East Siberian Brown Bear (Ursus. a. yenisensis): Eastern Siberia, from Jenissei to Transbaikalia and east to the Stanowoj mountains. From the Lena- and Kolyma-basin to Jakutia, including the Altai and northern Mongolia. 3. Caucasian Brown Bear (Ursus a. meridionalis): The Caucasus, south to northern Armenia. 4. Syrian Brown Bear (Ursus a. syriacus): Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Turkey,Iran, western Himalaya, the Pamirs, the Altai and Tienshan, Azerbaijan, Turkmeniya, Iraq and Afghanistan. 5. Kashmir or Tienshan Brown Bear (Ursus a. isabellinus): Kashmir, the Pamirs and Altai mountains, Tienshan, Afghanistan, northern Pakistan to Nepal. 6. Kamchatka Brown Bear (Ursus a. piscator): Kamchatka, northern Kuril Island, the Karaginska Islands, coastal area of the Ochotski Sea, south to the Stanowoj mountains and the Shantar Islands. Outside Russia: The Lawrence Islands. 7. Ussuri Brown Bear (Ursus a. lasiotus): The Ussuri region, Sachalin, Priamurje and north to the Shantar Islands, the Stanowoj mountains, southern Kuril Islands, north-eastern Heilongjiang (Manchuria), Korea and Hokkaido (Japan). 8. Tibet Brown Bear (Ursus a. pruniosus): Northwest China (Kansu), northern Sichuan, Xizang (Tibet), Mongolia, south from Endrengiyn Nuruu and Shan in the eastern Himalaya.
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Post by brobear on Aug 17, 2020 4:54:17 GMT -5
Ursus arctos arctos, the European brown bear is similar to Ursus arctos horribilis in the fact that what started out as numerous subspecies were gradually dwindled down into a single subspecies. One example of this is the Caucasian brown bear – U. a. meridionalis which is now listed as a European brown bear.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Aug 17, 2020 8:54:26 GMT -5
Reply 101, I think these writers were not specific either. Both the Alaskan brown bears and the mainland grizzly bears are grizzlies. One is larger and the other is smaller.
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Post by brobear on Aug 17, 2020 9:04:45 GMT -5
Reply 101, I think these writers were not specific either. Both the Alaskan brown bears and the mainland grizzly bears are grizzlies. One is larger and the other is smaller. There are other differences too. They don't really look alike. I agree with King Kodiak that the subspecies Ursus arctos gyas should not have been changed.
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Post by King Kodiak on Aug 17, 2020 9:31:51 GMT -5
Reply 101, I think these writers were not specific either. Both the Alaskan brown bears and the mainland grizzly bears are grizzlies. One is larger and the other is smaller. There are other differences too. They don't really look alike. I agree with King Kodiak that the subspecies Ursus arctos gyas should not have been changed. Yeah definitely brobear. I think Gyas has enough differences from the mainland grizzlies that it should had been left alone. The main one is size, its much larger, close to Kodiaks. Also the feeding habits of course, and they most likely have a more complex method of communication that permits them to live together with minimal conflict, just like Kodiaks. The bone structure is also different, just more massive because of their size obviously.
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Post by brobear on Aug 17, 2020 11:09:52 GMT -5
There are other differences too. They don't really look alike. I agree with King Kodiak that the subspecies Ursus arctos gyas should not have been changed. Yeah definitely brobear. I think Gyas has enough differences from the mainland grizzlies that it should had been left alone. The main one is size, its much larger, close to Kodiaks. Also the feeding habits of course, and they most likely have a more complex method of communication that permits them to live together with minimal conflict, just like Kodiaks. The bone structure is also different, just more massive because of their size obviously.
I agree with all said, and will add normally a more uniform color. Also, U.a.gyas appears taller ( less "bull-doggish" or "raccoon-like" ) for loss of better wording.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 21, 2020 15:34:35 GMT -5
FINLAND ZOO: 300 KG MALE BEAR KILLS 100 KG FEMALE BEAR WITH ONE PAW STRIKE TO THE HEAD. IT BROKE THE SKULL:
A sad incident was experienced at Ranua Zoo today. A fight broke out between the two bears, in which the Milla puppy was killed when the old and large male bear Palle-Jooseppi hit it in the head.
One blow was enough. The skull of the Milla bear was broken and it died immediately, says Tommi Hinno, CEO of Ranua Zoo, to IS. According to him, a big male bear is always dangerous to other bears. The Milla bear that was killed weighed about 100 pounds, while the big male bear had gained almost 300 pounds. According to the price, the Milla bear was placed in the same paddock in the spring with the big Palle-Joseph, because the bear female Dooris got the puppies in the adjacent paddock. According to Price, Palle has lived in a pen with young females in the past. There have been few problems, but on Monday the bears were born into a fight in which Milla died. - At least in the near future, another bear will not be placed in the same fence as Palle-Joseph. The Dooris bear is also in its own pen with its puppies, Hinno says. Milla received a lot of attention when she was found badly hungry and exhausted just over a year ago as an orphan from Tohmajärvi in North Karelia. Its survival was considered a small miracle. Last winter, Milla was followed relentlessly because she couldn’t fall asleep for the hibernation in her new home at Ranua Zoo.
www.is.fi/kotimaa/art-2000000281475.html
Credited to Shadow from WF:
wildfact.com/forum/topic-bigcat-strength?pid=127705#pid127705
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 21, 2020 15:41:33 GMT -5
From the post above: the translation says that the bears weighed around 100 and 300 pounds, but that is actually a bad translation, its actually kilos, see here:
Hänen mukaansa iso uroskarhu on aina vaarallinen toisille karhuille. Surmansa saanut Milla-karhu painoi noin 100 kiloa, kun isolle uroskarhulle painoa oli kertynyt lähes 300 kiloa.
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Post by brobear on Sept 21, 2020 15:44:23 GMT -5
Reply #94: No species named. Doesn't matter. Here is more evidence of the bear's paw-strike. I think it ridiculous to imagine a bear not having a powerful paw-strike, and greater than that of an equally-sized cat - especially a brown bear.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 21, 2020 15:48:32 GMT -5
Reply #94: No species named. Doesn't matter. Here is more evidence of the bear's paw-strike. I think it ridiculous to imagine a bear not having a powerful paw-strike, and greater than that of an equally-sized cat - especially a brown bear. Exactly brobear. But this news actually made me sad because the dead bear was very small, a female of 100 kg (220 lbs).
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