Polar Bear - Kodiak Bear comparison

[King Kodiak]

Thanks Bro.

[tom]

Here are some photos of Goliath. If the reports are accurate Goliath measured 12 ft. and weighed right around a ton at his biggest. Hard to imagine a Bear that was bigger than Bart and by a fair amount. Massive Bear....

Massive Bear....

[tom]

Here are some more of Goliath. 

[tom]

I look at those pictures of Goliath in a cage and I can't help but wonder what a horrible life that must of been. Today's Zoos have much better enclosures for these majestic animals compared with the relatively small enclosures of the past.


Anyway, IMO a Polar bear vs Kodiak could be a 50/50 proposition if both were roughly the same size. But would a fight ever take place?  As we've seen, Polar Bears seem to have an aversion to Grizzlies, even much smaller barron ground Grizzlies. For whatever reason they seem to shy away from them???

[King Kodiak]

Great pics Tom. What a bear. What a freaking bear!! Dont you wish you can huh that bear? Lol.

[tom]

Sept 16, 2018 10:41:17 GMT -5 King Kodiak said:

 Dont you wish you can huh that bear? Lol.


aahhh..... probably not. I don't think I would want to hug Bart who was a tame bear. Nothing personal, but I think I would pass..

[King Kodiak]

Ha ha ha, i would probably walk to Goliath back and jump up and start piggy back riding. If he lets me. Lol.

[brobear]

Goliath was second only to Clyde as for zoo Kodiak bears actually weighed. Very likely most, especially in days-by-gone, were never weighed. I'm with you that in the past, a zoo was no more than a horrible prison for animals. Now, a zoo is a luxurious prison for animals. But, it also helps to save endangered species.

[Deleted]

I Goliath a kodiak bear?

[tom]

Yes. He actually came from Kodiak Island at 6 mos. old. He lived from 1967 to 1991. 24 years old when he died. That would be mid 90's in human age.

[King Kodiak]

As we have already discussed before,
when it comes to polar bears, the
enviroment is very important.
so we know that adult males are
basically the same weight, so lets say
both males are 1500 lbs, (a fight we all
want to see). We know kodiaks have a
much bigger shoulder hump than
polars making the front limbs stronger,
also the kodiak is more robust.

My intake is this: even though polars are
used to killing bigger animals, like bull
walruses And some beluga whales, not the larger ones, a 1500 lb kodiak bear is just
a different beast. If the fight takes place in
the artic, i say its 50 50. If the fight takes
place in kodiak island, the kodiak wins 8/9
out of 10 times. We have seen how bad 
polar bears do outside of their environent.

kodiak is heavy machine, best of the land.

[brobear]

Let this be known; I would only stage imaginary animal fights. With that said, the fairest place and time for a polar bear/Kodiak bear fight would be in the Summer-time arctic. An average-sized 10-year-old polar bear vs an average-sized 10-year-old Kodiak bear. I would estimate that the polar would have a weight advantage of roughly 200 pounds ( 90.72 kg ).
It would be unfair to pit an average polar bear against a Kodiak bigger than average. My money would be on the Kodiak; but its no sure bet.

[King Kodiak]

 Brobear.....you had a very nice idea for the stage of the fight, summer time artic, had
not tought about that one. That would be the most fair stage for a kodiak-polar battle.
if we would arrainge a fight, the 2 bears have to be about the same weight. I think 100 lbs or less weight difference would be ok.

[brobear]

1000 pound Kodiak vs 1200 pound polar. Not unfair as the polar has at least 200 extra pounds of fat. The biggest worry the polar bear has is over-heating. If the fight lasts too long, the polar will over-heat and become exhausted. To win this fight, the polar would have to kill or chase off the brown bear quickly.
In reality, they would likely not fight at all.

[King Kodiak]

Well judging by the only video we have, a polar bear might not want to fight a 1000 lb + kodiak bear and back of. The kodiak is double the size of that grizzly, so just imagine. And you are right Brobear, the problem with the polar could be overheating.
kodiak has much longer claws, bigger bite force, more robust, more brute strengh because of the large shoulder hump.
since the polar is a full time hunter it might have more fighting experience. Also sharper claws.

bottom line is it would be a dream bear fight, but the kodiak is the king of the bears and takes this fight 8/9 out of 10.

[brobear]

Killing experience definitely goes to the full-time predator, the polar which would also have the weight advantage.
The Kodiak grizzly has the upper-hand with upper-body strength and bite-force.  Also, he can last longer in a fight. 
According to Polar, the polar bear has bigger arms in comparison to body size. I will not accuse Polar of lying. If he says it I'm sure he believes it. However, this is something I would like to see ( data ) before I state it as being FACT.


In any case, while I would bet on the Kodiak, this is no sure win for either bear. 
 
( we are on the same page with this one Kodiak ).

[King Kodiak]

Yes we are definatly on the same page here.
well remember that if we were to stage a fight, the animals have to be basically the same weight, although i think 100 lbs or less wont make much difference here. I think we all agree a kodiak would win (not Polar of course, lol).

[King Kodiak]

Brobear in Carnivora

big Kodiak boar is in the same weight class as a polar bear. The difference is not so great. The polar bear uses his front legs to propel himself through the water. His long slender neck and narrow rather pointed head are adaptations for swimming.
The Kodiak bear has a shoulder hump which is an adaptation for digging; sometimes in extremely hard or even frozen ground riddled with roots and rocks. That shoulder hump of muscles reinforces his muscular upper-body making him even stronger. Yes, I would bet heavily on the Kodiak.

thanks for defending my bear, the king of the bears, this would be the dream bear fight, but as i have said before here in this thread, my opinion is that the kodiak beats the polar 7/8 out of 10 times. Not much weight difference, much larger shoulder hump making him stronger, more robust, much longer claws.
URSUS ARCTOS MIDDENDORFFI IS HEAVY MACHINE, BEST OF THE LAND.

by the way Brobear, someone there said that the polar is much larger which is not true, but tell that guy that this fantasy fight should be at same weight, say max weight, which would be incredible, 1500 lb kodiak vs 1500 lb polar.

[brobear]

It would be OK really if it were a 1500 pound Kodiak against a 1700 pound polar bear. The polar has at least 200-pounds more fat than the Kodiak - probably more. 
 
Consider that the Kodiak has the potential of being equally as heavy as the record-weight polar bear. This is a proven fact. Polar bears in the wild feed on blubber which is more weight-gaining than anything a bear might be fed in a zoo. That is why wild polar bears are bigger in the wild than in a zoo. Contrary to this, the record-sized Kodiak's were zoo bears. Goliath weighed 2000 pounds and Clyde once weighed 2400 pounds. The heaviest wild Kodiak actually weighed registered at 1600 pounds. Therefore salmon is not as weight-gaining as blubber. 
The record polar bear weighed 2100 pounds. Therefore, both bears have the same size potential. A 2000-pound polar bear would be taller and longer because of his body plan - adaptations for a more aquatic life-style. The slightly shorter Kodiak would be larger in his upper-body. 

[King Kodiak]

Yeah i guess a 1500 lb kodiak vs a 1700 lb polar would ok, that difference wont make an impact for the kodiak. Could also be a 1300 lb kodiak vs a 1500 lb polar. Something like that. Either way....MIDDENDORFFI wins. 
(Hope i dont get banned by Polar, ha ha ha)