Weary of the Topic

[brobear]

I've been fighting this battle since either late 1999 or early 2000. Roughly 24 years later, the facts are well known.  
 
During my first several years of participating in various wild animal face-off sites, I was learning just how little knowledge I actually had. I was discovering new brown bear subspecies, new species of bears, and all about extinct bears. After polar (missing since Aug. 2020)) and I opened the Domain of the Bears in 2017, I have continued to discover bears that I previously knew nothing about. These are the topics I would love to return to. 
 
Debating against radical and (most of them) juvenile big cat fanboys, I was often forced to research for answers. I have known since I was perhaps between 6 and 8 years old, that a bear is stronger than a big cat. I mean, "Good Grief Charlie Brown!", all ya gotta do is look at them.
 
However, knowing and proving are two separate subjects. I also play with an educational handicap. I quit school halfway through the 10th grade, and then worked with a bricklayer until I joined the U.S.M.C. in 1966 at the age of 17. In later years, I got my G.E.D. at the age of 30. 
 
Back to "Tiger vs Bear" and the problems connected. We discuss many big cat scenarios dealing with various big cats and bears. But the main subject falls to "Amur tiger vs Ussuri brown bear" and for good reason. The R.F.E. is the only place on Earth shared by both a tiger subspecies and a brown bear subspecies. Sure, we talk about the tiger and sloth bear interactions in India, but in this case the tiger is always double or sometimes triple the weight of the smaller bear. We talk about sloth bears displacing leopards from their kills. We talk about black bears displacing cougars from their kills. But, the Russian taiga is the only place on Earth where a tiger might come face-to-face with a brown bear which, in terms of average sizes, the bear and the tiger are roughly equal in HBL - two Apex predators of similar size. 
  
Now; down and dirty to the problem. We know for a fact, that there has yet to be found even one single documented case of a tiger killing an adult male brown bear which has been confirmed by the scientific community. Regardless of this fact, highly popular online wild animal sites are putting out false information which both school children and curious adults are reading and believing. The upper-crust of these sites (the so-called Elite) are ignoring the truth and are not separating confirmed facts from opinions. The most popular of those sites is wildfact.com/forum/ 
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I am looking for the day when the Administration of WF (1) announces that they are still with no real evidence of a tiger ever killing a full-grown male brown bear and that no such report has ever been verified and confirmed and (2) will continue to reprimand any forum member who claims otherwise. When that day comes, I will personally step out of the big cat vs bear topics completely. 
 
However, more than likely, my team members, many of them with greater knowledge than myself and all better educated here at the Domain, will probably continue the battle against the relentless, radical, highly biased, juvenile fanboys who are unable to man-up to reality and accept the truth.

[Montezuma]

As long as i breathe life, i will carry the flag of truth on the Domain of the Bears. Surrounded by misinformation and cat forums, we alone bear the responsibility of preaching the true bear information to users to let more and more people know and understand without prejudice. God, help and bless us. Amen.

[brobear]

Debunked Tiger Tales

domainofthebears.proboards.com/thread/1726/debunked-tiger-tales?page=1
The 1951 Tatibe River tigress - 1951.
The W.J. Jankowski Story - 1970.
About M20/T-20/Dale/Dima/Misha killing a large bear - 1997.
Ochkarik and Chlamida - 2017.
Odyr and Misha - 2022.
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In 1951, a tigress killed a 5-year old sub-adult brown bear weighing an estimated 375 pounds. Only thing newsworthy about this event was that a tigress had ambushed and killed the oldest and heaviest male brown bear ever killed by a tiger - thus far confirmed.
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19 years later, in 1970, a hunter kills a large male tiger that (he claims) had been feeding on a large male bear (species not specified). No real news here. Just a story told by a hunter. Only evidence is a photograph of a dead tiger. This story was rejected by the scientific community.
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27 years later, in 1997, a large male tiger had acquired a taste for bear flesh and a reputation as "The Bear Killer". He had killed numerous adolescent brown bears and several adult she-bears - all weighing well below his own weight. No real news here.
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20 years later, in 2017, a large male brown bear was living within a particular location. As hunters began moving in, the bear was not seen again. Nothing unusual in this story, other than the reaction of tiger fanboys jumping to unrealistic conclusions. No evidence of a tiger killing a full-grown male brown bear. No bear carcass found. No kill site found. No battle scars seen on tiger.
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5 years later, in 2022, an adult male tiger is claimed to have killed a male brown bear - frozen carcass of the 3-year-old juvenile bear on location. Footprints of a larger bear found nearby. While the frozen carcass is covered in ice and snow, the footprints appear fresh with no snowfall on them. No real story here.