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Post by brobear on Jun 16, 2023 9:33:22 GMT -5
Notice that when the officials stated that the Dudhwa tiger (a large male Bengal) was probably killed by the large male sloth bear that lived within this same location, not one single tiger fan accepted such a possibility. Yet, when its an adult male brown bear carcass and there are tigers about, then, to the tiger fans, it suddenly becomes a confirmed case of a tiger fighting and killing a large male brown bear. more.... |
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Post by brobear on Jun 16, 2023 9:35:33 GMT -5
Yes, it's completely illogical. The bear who was killed was described as being a healthy individual. A healthy Ussuri brown bear with a palm width of 18cm would weigh at least 350kg. That's almost twice as big as an average Siberian tiger. Based on video footage and literature we know that sloth bears can prove to be a worthy opponent for the larger Bengal tiger. Now yes, you can read and believe in all of all those unsubstantiated reports of Russian naturalists coming to conclusions regarding bear vs tiger fights. The fact is that all of those conclusions are mentioned in normal books and very few are registered in scientifically approved documents created for researching purposes. Those accounts who I consider reliable tell of young bears and adult females being ambushed; sometimes successfully, on other occasions a fight broke out and both predators were either killed or at least one of them was heavily injured. My advice would be to develop a common sense which should tell you that a tiger would never be able to kill another healthy predatory animal almost twice his size and superior in so many areas you'd lose count without coming off completely well. If you don't have this type of common sense and are just into worshipping cats for whatever reason, leave the discussion. Any serious naturalist and biologist who is into animal behavior will tell you the same thing. They are sneaky, they are cunning and they take the advantage; and when things go wrong, they flee and get very hectic. Which is an understandable behavior considering the ecological niche they fill out. What bothers me is that the average animal enthusiast doesn't think this far and an equally big concern are the lion fanatics who think a lion is much different when he really isn't. As a general rule you can say cats are sneaky, cunning, don't like going head-to-head with their prey and have a natural sense of picking out advantages to make a predation event most comfortable for them. Like in every area, there can be exceptions. There are individuals who are naturally bold and others who aren't. However, when we look at a cat's life, boldness can testify a lack of intelligence when young adult individuals take it too far and die due to messing with the wrong animal. It's a natural selection type of thing that boldness, the guts to confront a prey item fairly and tenaciousness are sorted out when it comes to cats. Otherwise they'd have already gone extinct, people should understand and think about it. Being one of the most successful predatory animals doesn't require fighting attributes; picking the right time and having a body designed for sneaky ambushing is of much greater value. This shouldn't discredit the physical capabilities of cats, especially the large cats who have immensely impressive physiques but there are a lot of other body shapes who might be equally well designed or better than those of the cat's when it comes to actual fair fighting. Yes, it's completely illogical. |
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Post by brobear on Jun 16, 2023 9:37:19 GMT -5
As it turns out, the bear that Odyr, the big male tiger is said to have had a lengthy fight with before finally managing to kill him, in the Khabarovsk Territory event (2022), was an adolescent three year old. A three-year-old brown bear is an adolescent. It will be probably another year-and-a-half to two years before he reaches sexual maturity. He is therefore roughly the equivalent to a boy of about ten years old. shaggygod.proboards.com/thread/671/grizzly-bear-anatomy?page=1 ![]() Odyr, the big male tiger killed a baby. |
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Post by brobear on Jun 16, 2023 9:39:53 GMT -5
So, how big was this three-year-old that, according to the adolescent fanboys, fought a big male tiger for a lengthy time period? This chart consists of Yellowstone grizzlies, so the Russian bears should be just a little bigger. 100 kilograms is equal to 220.46 pounds. Since an Ussuri brown bear is some bigger than a grizzly, I would guestimate that a three-year-old Ussuri brown bear might average roughly 230 pounds. That's roughly 200 pounds less than an adult Ussuri brown she-bear.  The full-grown male tiger had a difficult fight with this adolescent bear; according to the fanboys themselves. |
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Post by brobear on Jun 16, 2023 9:41:56 GMT -5
*From a fanboy's post from elsewhere: Here's why the tiger fanboys think the "large male brown bear" was most likely a healthy, well-fed brown bear killed by the tiger. Here are some very important facts to note based on the reports and specialists who examined the kill-site: 1- The killed bear is specifically noted to be of "impressive size" with a palm callus width of 18 cm. Fact: Wrong. The dead bear was a three-year-old adolescent. The "18 cm. footprints" were measured incorrectly. 2- Last year (2022) when this bear was killed, there was a good harvest of acorns and plenty of food for bears in the Khekhtsir reserve. Due to this fact, its highly unlikely a bear, especially a big male brown bear would struggle to find enough food to fatten up for hibernation. The bear was killed in late November, but its a fact that some bears will continue to roam the forests until mid-December when there is plenty of food in the forest. Which was the case in this reserve! Fact: This seems logical. 3- Not a single report even implies, let alone mentions that the killed bear could have been "weakened", "connecting-rod", "dying from starvation", a "desperate" individual etc, nothing. None of the forest rangers and specialists who found the killed bear stated that the bear could have possibly been weakened or a shatun bear. Whenever a shatun-bear (connecting-rod) is killed in any scenario, it is always specifically stated in the news reports. But not in this case. Fact: This also sounds logical. 4- The reports specifically mention that the bear "didn't have time to hibernate" or was "about to go into hibernation." Which again, strongly suggests that the brown bear was a healthy, well-fed bear about to go into hibernation, but was attacked, killed and eaten by a tiger before he could. Fact: And so the tiger ambushed this three-year-old adolescent brown bear who was feeding on acorns. 5- The battle-ground was examined by forest guards, inspectors & rangers. Yuri Kya is a highly trained and experienced expert in judging the traces of wild animals in the forest. These same forest inspectors and rangers also oversee and take part in the census of wild animals in the Khekhtsir reserve. They also know the animals very intimately, and also know the tiger Odyr very well. Fact: The tiger footprints are a perfect match to the tiger called Odyr. 6- Although the tiger wasn't injured from the fight, it still wasn't an easy battle. The specialists found clear traces all over the forest clearing of a long, serious fight between the tiger and bear. So the big bear had the energy, strength and endurance to fight the tiger for a prolonged period of time in the snow, which is even more tiring for both animals. Fact: After ambushing the three-year-old adolescent male brown bear, Odyr had a very hard time killing the bear. 7- The paw width of the killer tiger's tracks matched the size of Odyr's. The bear was also killed in the tiger Odyr's territory. He most often lives in that particular area of the reserve. ________________________________________________________________ *Note: Those who were first on the scene measured the bear tracks incorrectly; therefore, was there really a long-lasting-fight as reported. If so, then the tiger called Odyr had a very difficult long-lasting battle with a three year old adolescent male brown bear, if undernourished as reported, might have weighed under 200 pounds. When their fantasy crumbles... |
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Post by brobear on Jun 16, 2023 9:44:38 GMT -5
A logical intelligent response by vip.everyday: (November 2022), there is a corpse of a brown bear and traces of a struggle. But the scene and the body of the bear were not examined by experts (at least there was no report). Nothing is known about the bear, except for the size of the footprint, which does not correspond to the size of the body. Although it was possible to measure, for example, the skull of the bear and see the condition of its teeth. This would have given some necessary information. One gets the impression that such a hasty "throw-in" of information in the media has the sole purpose of advertising the reserve's employees. Thanks to this news, their country now knows about them. On the other hand, real scientists, such as Seryodkin or Goodrich, first checked everything and then wrote articles with details. Odyr and Misha |
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Post by brobear on Jun 16, 2023 9:48:55 GMT -5
Because it was a small bear. (Not my email) Q：Здравствуйте, я недавно слышал, что в заповеднике была битва тигра с медведем У вас есть больше информации об этом медведе? Reserve：Здравствуйте!Медведя звали Миша, кличка «Косолапый», возраст примерно 3 года Подвид бурый. В ходе сражения тигр не пострадал. Начальник отдела охраны Милежик М.П. С Уважением, филиал Большехехцирский ФГ БУ"Заповедное Приамурье' Translation: Q：Hello, I heard recently that there was a tiger-bear fight in the reserve Do you have any more information about this bear? Reserve： Hello, the bear's name was Misha, and he was about 3 years old. The tiger wasn't hurt in the battle. M.P. Milezhik, Head of Protection Department. Sincerely yours, Bolshekhetsirskiy branch of the Federal Wildlife Refuge of the Priamur'e Nature Conservation Area. ibb.co/VJrpVm4This also makes me agree with Warsaw’s opinion and Kolchin was right. Along with Ocharik (not confirmed if he actually killed him). And Mazak (Jankowski didn’t mention signs of a fight, and just found a tiger feasting on a bear carcass, and surprisingly he never even said the bears species). That’s all I know of tiger and adult male brown bears. We have known cases of tigers (adult males) dying to injured inflicted by brown bears (Bromlei). And Boris the adult male tiger almost died to a brown bear. So it’s a three year old bear. And of course a “certain poster” saw this and called it BS because reports “said it’s 18cm so it’s wrong” This email was answered to by Milezhik, who is in-charge of the reserve and the federal branch of the wildlife refuge (animal protection). I see no reason to not trust him. Why would they lie? The bear killed was named ‘Misha’ and was about three years old. Milezhik would know this due to monitoring the animals in the reserve. Actually, the bear carcass was half-eaten, and I don’t see the bear’s front paw, so maybe the tiger ate it. They measured this I’m pretty sure ibb.co/qNrR4WM which looks like a huge bear, but not only that, it looks like a fresh one. And the bear carcass is very small, and definitely doesn’t correspond with that footprint. But here’s the thing tho, they said front paw so maybe they measured the bear carcass’s front paw, but they would have to flip it over. Even in the video, everyone in the comment section is referring to the bear as ‘Misha’ The paw size is measured incorrectly, and Kolchin said this, which is why it says 18cm. I may be stupid or misinterpreting this but look: These are the brown bears footprints ibb.co/WD5tyXNThere’s 5 toes. Tiger ibb.co/r4QxLxPibb.co/gFpxNzsibb.co/5XQ6NZGFour toes, and the declaw does not touch the ground while walking. This would explain the 18cm. So the bear is small, yes. Also, I found this (hopefully it loads) www.researchgate.net/publication/311948285_Bear_footprints_and_their_use_for_monitoring_and_estimating_numbers_of_brown_bears_Ursus_arctos_L_in_BulgariaWell bro. You just simply turned over all the case. A small bear killed by tiger explained as large?! Wow, that crazy. Imagine what would fanboys react when they see that it was only a little bear. I posted your post in "Tiger killing bear analysis" thread too. Since it surely belongs there too. Great work. And its even more interesting that it is told by an expert of that reserve. Yes, this is the icing on the cake; the proof in the pudding. |
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Post by brobear on Jun 16, 2023 9:51:08 GMT -5
Someone posted; quote: "The account you posted of Odyr killing a male brown bear is impressive. Male Ussuri brown bears being killed (two modern day accounts) is still rare in comparison to Siberian tigers killing female Ussuri brown bears." ________________________________________________________ *I seriously hate it when bear fans; especially Domain members, never take the time to read what some accuse me of posting repetitively far too often, and some really diligent posters have worked hard, using team-work, the disprove those ridiculous claims. This is why I keep posting the hard facts over-and-over; hard-headed bear fans.  All of these stories have been totally disproven, completely dismantled, and the 'adult-male-brown-bear-killing-tiger' has been demythologized. 1- W.J. Jankowski report (1943) remains unconfirmed by biologists. 2- Batalov event (2017) remains unconfirmed by biologists. 3- Khabarovsk Territory event (2022) remains unconfirmed by biologists. Pay attention bear fans... |
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Post by brobear on Jun 16, 2023 9:53:35 GMT -5
Translation of M.P. Milezhik's email from DeepL: "Hello! The bear's name was Misha, nicknamed "Kosolapy", about 3 years old. The subspecies is brown. The tiger was not harmed in the battle. M.P. Milezhik, head of the patrol."
Sincerely, Bolshekhetsirsky Branch of FSBI "Priamur'e Reserved (4212) 491869 - accounting department (4212) 491872 - General Department
Note that there is a huge difference between DeepL's and Google Translator's translation. The bear's nickname "Kosolapy" wasn't see in GT's translation. So here is another proof that this bear was well known to scientist and was 3 years old. And, from now on, i suggest everyone to use DeepL only.
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Post by brobear on Jun 16, 2023 9:56:08 GMT -5
As it stands, every single story celebrated by tiger fans, regardless of their age, sex, or education level, concerning a tiger killing a full-grown male brown bear has been proven to be fake news/false information. The story of the tiger who killed a brown she-bear nearly his own weight was proved false and put to rest. The story of the tigress who killed a bear heavier than herself was put to rest. Not one of these tales could be confirmed. Amur tigers and Ussuri brown bears live within the same vast locations in the Russian Far East. Tiger fans enjoy telling the tale that tigers chase bears out of their territories. This too has been disproven. All too often we see bears, both male moon bears and male brown bears, rubbing on the same trees as are used by tigers to mark their territories. The bears leave a message letting all other predators know that "I am here to stay." Tigers are full-time hunters. Their main prey choices are deer and wild boar. A tiger, especially a "tiger king" who rules a particular vast domain, will chase off leopards and wolves. He doesn't like competition for food. Perhaps he understands that bears consume far more vegetation than they do meat. Only when he finds deer and wild boar to be scarce where he is hunting, will the tiger resort to hunting bear. His first choice are the moon bears - Ussuri black bears. The tiger is a hard-wired ambush predator. Especially with the larger male bears, the tiger must be careful to execute a clean ambush. Just one mistake, and the tiger might find himself fighting with a black bear approaching near his own weight. In such a struggle, the tiger might have to pull away and retreat to avoid serious injuries or possibly even death. But, moon bears are accomplished tree climbers and, if he spots the tiger soon enough, the bear will quickly scurry up a tree, out of the tigers' reach. For this reason, brown bears are easier to hunt. His first choice are the adolescent bears, three or four years old, which are too young to put up much of a fight, and are without the protection of mama bear. However, if he should blunder upon an adult brown she-bear, and has a good chance of ambushing her, the big male tiger will not hesitate to do so. Bears normally make up less than 2% of a tiger's diet. Therefore, for the most part, tigers and bears have a peaceful coexistence. It is quite uncommon for a tigress to hunt bears. The typical tigress never tastes bear flesh unless she happens upon a bear carcass. The fully adult male brown bear is perfectly safe from a tiger attack. He is simply not on the menu. Female brown bears and adolescents strictly avoid tigers when possible. This does not mean that they live their lives in fear, but when a she-bear sees or smells a tiger, she will avoid that particular area. The adult male brown bear will sometimes follow the scent of the tiger for the possibility of displacing him from a carcass. The boar brown bear will do the same with wolves and leopards. Tigers of every age, sex, and size keep their distance from the monarch of the taiga; the adult male brown bear. But those tiger fanboys just keep posting their lies... |
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Post by brobear on Jun 16, 2023 9:59:31 GMT -5
Translation of M.P. Milezhik's email from DeepL: "Hello! The bear's name was Misha, nicknamed "Kosolapy", about 3 years old. The subspecies is brown. The tiger was not harmed in the battle. M.P. Milezhik, head of the patrol."
Sincerely, Bolshekhetsirsky Branch of FSBI "Priamur'e Reserved (4212) 491869 - accounting department (4212) 491872 - General Department
Note that there is a huge difference between DeepL's and Google Translator's translation. The bear's nickname "Kosolapy" wasn't see in GT's translation. So here is another proof that this bear was well known to scientist and was 3 years old. And, from now on, i suggest everyone to use DeepL only.
So from this email, these points come forward: 1. The tiger didn't killed a large bear since later discovery shows it was a little bear.2. That 3 year old bear was called Misha and nicknamed as 'Kosolapy', which shows that they are confirmed the bear killed was not other bear but this sub-adult bear.3. Unlike the news, which was posted by engenieers, its told by a biologist.4. The 18cm paw, apparently and naturally, didn't belong to Kosolapy, even Sergey told that. Its another bear's paw.5. It can be quite possible that the kosolapy was killed by another large bear since such cases are well known amongst bears; and the tiger simoly scavenged the carcass later.6. If tiger killed that bear, so it isn't impressive since it was a juvenile and might be starving bear in the cold winter. Interesting to note that the little bear still gave an impressive resistence and fight to tiger despite of being on disadvantage.A tiger Odyr kills a 3 year old bear. What impressive? When it comes to tigers hunting brown bears, they usually choose an adolescent bear. |
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Post by brobear on Jun 16, 2023 12:00:16 GMT -5
About that three year old adolescent bear killed by the adult male tiger Odyr.  Misha. |
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Post by brobear on Jun 16, 2023 12:01:53 GMT -5
More of the same conversation...  More of the same conversation... |
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Post by brobear on Jun 16, 2023 12:03:18 GMT -5
...and more... Q：Здравствуйте, я недавно слышал, что в заповеднике была битва тигра с медведем У вас есть больше информации об этом медведе? Reserve：Здравствуйте!Медведя звали Миша, кличка «Косолапый», возраст примерно 3 года Подвид бурый. В ходе сражения тигр не пострадал. Начальник отдела охраны Милежик М.П. С Уважением, филиал Большехехцирский ФГ БУ"Заповедное Приамурье' DeepL translation: "Hello! The bear's name was Misha, nicknamed "Kosolapy", about 3 years old. The subspecies is brown. The tiger was not harmed in the battle. M.P. Milezhik, head of the patrol." Sincerely, Bolshekhetsirsky Branch of FSBI "Priamur'e Reserved (4212) 491869 - accounting department (4212) 491872 - General Department  ...and more... |
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Post by brobear on Jun 16, 2023 12:08:12 GMT -5
1- W.J. Jankowski report (1943) remains unconfirmed by biologists. The hunter Jankowski found the tiger feeding on an old bear carcass. Not even the species of the bear was confirmed. Jankowski had no way of knowing the cause of the bear's death. In fact, we don't know for sure that there really was a bear carcass there. Adding a bear to the story makes a bigger tale for a hunter to tell. 2- Batalov event (2017) remains unconfirmed by biologists. This is really ridiculous. This big brown bear disappears from his usual domain, which is not unusual for a male brown bear, and the tiger fans call this evidence that this tiger killed the bear. There was no dead bear; there was no kill site. There was nothing. The bear likely moved on due to the human hunters with rifles who had just recently moved into the area. Also, a satellite bear normally spends a couple of weeks or so following a tigress and usurping her kills before he tires of this game and seeks other food stuffs. 3- Khabarovsk Territory event (2022) remains unconfirmed by biologists. The huge male brown bear turns out to be a three-year-old adolescent and maybe the tiger killed him. Small brown bears of this age group are the tiger's most common brown bear prey choice. ______________________________________________________________ Tiger fanboys and fake professors are still referring to these over-rated stories as "tiger killing adult male brown bear" cases, when they are not. All three scenarios are pure fantasy. Tiger fans still insist that a full-grown male brown bear is not immune to the predation of an adult male tiger. My answer; Show me just one confirmed report.This is really ridiculous. |
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Post by brobear on Jun 16, 2023 12:10:11 GMT -5
Good thing you posted the email pic too. Links can sometimes expire out. As we can see above. Even sergey told that the 18cm paw does not belong to the carcass (as we told too), and layer Mivkhel told that the carcass was a 3 year old bear which confirms that this was another bear that came later. |
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Post by brobear on Jun 16, 2023 12:13:53 GMT -5
That story was killed back in Jan. 11, 2023 by Granolah or Jiren. Quote; " Credits to poster 'goodhope683' for contacting biologist Sergey Kolchin. This is for the bear-posters who claim that this incident is not confirmed by biologists. By the way, a biologist doesn't need to "confirm" this account to be true anyway, they're not the authorities in this case, the forest guards and rangers are. They're the one's who found the killed bear and examined the place! They found clear traces of a fight between the tiger and brown bear. ___________________________________________________________ Q: Hello, sir. You are an expert on bears, and in Russia, I want to ask whether it is true that brown bears were killed and eaten by tigers. Thank you, sir. Sergey Kolchin: Hello. Yes, it's true. Why not? This is a common prey for adult male tiger. Bear was not so bigger. Q: Oh! Thank you for your reply! thank you! This bear has a front palm pad width of 18 cm. Is he an adult? Sergey Kolchin: I'm not sure that the size of the paw is determined correctly. 18 cm is a big male. but the bear didn't look like that. ____________________________________________________________ (Not my email) Q：Здравствуйте, я недавно слышал, что в заповеднике была битва тигра с медведем У вас есть больше информации об этом медведе? Reserve：Здравствуйте!Медведя звали Миша, кличка «Косолапый», возраст примерно 3 года Подвид бурый. В ходе сражения тигр не пострадал. Начальник отдела охраны Милежик М.П. С Уважением, филиал Большехехцирский ФГ БУ"Заповедное Приамурье' Translation: Q：Hello, I heard recently that there was a tiger-bear fight in the reserve Do you have any more information about this bear? Reserve： Hello, the bear's name was Misha, and he was about 3 years old. The tiger wasn't hurt in the battle. M.P. Milezhik, Head of Protection Department. Sincerely yours, Bolshekhetsirskiy branch of the Federal Wildlife Refuge of the Priamur'e Nature Conservation Area. redirect.viglink.com/?key=71fe2139a887ad501313cd8cce3053c5&subId=6716665&u=https%3A//ibb.co/VJrpVm4 This also makes me agree with Warsaw’s opinion and Kolchin was right. Along with Ocharik (not confirmed if he actually killed him). And Mazak (Jankowski didn’t mention signs of a fight, and just found a tiger feasting on a bear carcass, and surprisingly he never even said the bears species). That’s all I know of tiger and adult male brown bears. We have known cases of tigers (adult males) dying to injured inflicted by brown bears (Bromlei). And Boris the adult male tiger almost died to a brown bear. So it’s a three year old bear. And of course a “certain poster” saw this and called it BS because reports “said it’s 18cm so it’s wrong” This email was answered to by Milezhik, who is in-charge of the reserve and the federal branch of the wildlife refuge (animal protection). I see no reason to not trust him. Why would they lie? The bear killed was named ‘Misha’ and was about three years old. Milezhik would know this due to monitoring the animals in the reserve. Actually, the bear carcass was half-eaten, and I don’t see the bear’s front paw, so maybe the tiger ate it. They measured this I’m pretty sure redirect.viglink.com/?key=71fe2139a887ad501313cd8cce3053c5&subId=6716665&u=https%3A//ibb.co/qNrR4WM which looks like a huge bear, but not only that, it looks like a fresh one. And the bear carcass is very small, and definitely doesn’t correspond with that footprint. But here’s the thing tho, they said front paw so maybe they measured the bear carcass’s front paw, but they would have to flip it over. Even in the video, everyone in the comment section is referring to the bear as ‘Misha’ The paw size is measured incorrectly, and Kolchin said this, which is why it says 18cm. I may be stupid or misinterpreting this but look: These are the brown bears footprints redirect.viglink.com/?key=71fe2139a887ad501313cd8cce3053c5&subId=6716665&u=https%3A//ibb.co/WD5tyXN There’s 5 toes. Tiger ibb.co/r4QxLxP ibb.co/gFpxNzs ibb.co/5XQ6NZG Four toes, and the declaw does not touch the ground while walking. This would explain the 18cm. So the bear is small, yes. Also, I found this (hopefully it loads) redirect.viglink.com/?key=71fe2139a887ad501313cd8cce3053c5&subId=6716665&u=https%3A//www.researchgate.net/publication/311948285_Bear_footprints_and_their_use_for_monitoring_and_estimating_numbers_of_brown_bears_Ursus_arctos_L_in_Bulgaria ___________________________________________________________________ As always happens, this latest "Big Story" of a tiger killing a full-grown male brown bear fell through the fingers of the tiger fans like dry beach sand in dry hands. As it turns out (this time) the tiger Odyr simply ambushed and killed -after a long struggle- (according to the tiger fans) an adolescent bear; his usual bear prey. Things will probably remain calm and quiet here on the Domain until the next big story breaks... |
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Post by brobear on Jun 16, 2023 12:16:33 GMT -5
Khabarovsk 2022 case isn't unconfirmed now, it also better be called as 'Debuncked' since the leading biologist Mivkel of that reserve said it was a 3 year old bear only. The statement of a large bear killed by tiger turned out to be an initial misunderstanding of the incident. About Batalov 2017, its also debuncked becuase the bear Mantle (Ochlamid) was seen in 2018 which straightly and obviously shows that the speculation was wrong. If Ochlamid was killed in 2017, how would it be seen in 2018? Was he resurrected? Lol, no. Because simply he wasn't killed. Further, seryodkin's rejection to inquire the report also shows that it wasn't factual and was merely a story. Even from the word of Batalov, his account was more likely a 'supposed event' rather than an 'actual incident'. He used the word "more likely" word which means "probably" or you can say "may be" which show its skeptical. If it wasn't, batalov should have used some different type of words. So at last, both arn't unconfirmed stories, they are forged lies! 'Debuncked' |
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Post by brobear on Jun 16, 2023 12:26:59 GMT -5
ABOUT A MALE BROWN BEAR FOUND DEAD IN A NATURE RESERVE IN THE KHABAROVSKY KRAI IN NOVEMBER 2022. Facts and seeking the truth vs favoritism. What is it about book-length posts that so many tiger fans believe makes their posts more believable. There is no need for a conglomeration. What happened in Khabarovsky Krai in November? Nothing out of the ordinary. A large male tiger, possibly 'Odyr', after (according to tiger fans) a prolonged fight, managed to kill a three-year-old adolescent male brown bear named, 'Misha’. This is the normal size and age range of brown bears hunted, ambushed, and killed by tigers. _________________________________________ Seriously, before *any tiger fan starts cheering for the tiger who fights and kills a full-grown male brown bear (fake professors included), first come up with the official biologist report, the actual study, showing that your conclusions have been confirmed. It seems like every time a dead bear is found in the woods, the tiger fans start screaming, "Mighty Tiger Destroys Huge Male Brown Bear!" -Please; wait for the confirmation. Dishonor among the tiger fans... |
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Post by brobear on Jun 22, 2023 1:29:09 GMT -5
Quote; "A poster named 'goodhope683' contacted the forest inspector Yuri Kya (the man who found the killed male brown bear's carcass, measured its paw width and examined the kill-site) and specifically asked him if the tiger did in fact kill an adult male brown bear and if the bear's paw width was measured correctly." *Note; Who is Yuri Kya? Certainly not a biologist. The initial report said that they measured the bear footprints. Not the paws of the bear carcass. It has already been substantiated that the bear tracks did not match with the feet of the dead bear. Conclusion; there were two bears on the scene. Note; According to biologist David meanwell, Director of the Bear conservation society, the dead and frozen bear was a three year old adolescent named Misha. _____________________________________________ Quote from Peter; "Yesterday, Sanjay got a PM. It was sent by a poster interested in (brown) bears and, apparently, sharks. The PM was insultive and our guess is it was sent by a member of 'Domain of the bears'." *Note; I did not PM Sanjay and I do not condone this action. If any member of the Domain did this, you are wrong. If you feel you should contact someone, sign your name to your message. *Personally, I don't think that the PM came from this particular bear forum. _____________________________________________ Conclusion; The frozen bear carcass found on the scene by a group of people (not biologists) was that of a three year old adolescent male brown bear later identified as Misha. There might have been a brief skirmish between Odyr and another bear that showed up later. Bottom line; When a tiger kills a full-grown male brown bear and the incident is confirmed by a biologist, there will be a detailed documented biologist report filed. In this case, no adult male brown bear was killed by a tiger and the dead adolescent bear has been identified. ____________________________________________ Quote from Peter; "The administrator not only is involved in severe misinformation and outright crap." *Note; Meaning me of course. Wrong. We do not post misinformation. We are not the ones who are constantly jumping to unsubstantiated conclusions. We are not the ones posting misleading information. The false information and misleading information concerning bears and big cats can be found at wildfact.com/forum/ Fact: There is no confirmed account of a tiger ever killing a full-grown male brown bear. This is not misinformation. Its a fact. Its a fact that tiger fans just can't seem to be able to live with. *On the day that the killing of a full-grown male brown bear by a tiger is confirmed, this news will be widespread. We will all know the details from the biologist's filed report. |
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