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Post by brobear on Dec 27, 2019 14:58:47 GMT -5
Bison Ancient (Bison Antiquus). North America. Pleistocene. The HEIGHT IS OVER 2 M, Length-4,5 m, weight - over 1,5 t, spread horn - up to 1 M. Length: 14 feet 9 inches / Height: 6 feet 7 inches / Weight: 3,000 pounds / Horn Spread: 3 feet 3 inches. This view comes from the Eurasian Arabah Bison (Bison Priscus) and is considered a ancestor of modern American Bison (Bison Bison). He was a quarter more from his heir. A large number of findings of the bone antičnogo bison suggests the number of the species. Vikopnij Bison extinguished about 10000 years ago, likely not without the participation of a man.
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Post by brobear on Dec 31, 2019 4:05:15 GMT -5
Bison: Shadow says: These guys don´t like to be disturbed when having a meal. Jhbinz said in 2012 that s/he "made this encounter this past summer in Yukon Territory while driving between Teslin Lake and Rest Area on Liard River" in Yukon, northwest Canada, and it looks like a grizzly–black bear hybrid to me:
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 31, 2019 6:33:14 GMT -5
Bison: Shadow says: These guys don´t like to be disturbed when having a meal. Jhbinz said in 2012 that s/he "made this encounter this past summer in Yukon Territory while driving between Teslin Lake and Rest Area on Liard River" in Yukon, northwest Canada, and it looks like a grizzly–black bear hybrid to me: More like a bluff charge.
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Post by brobear on Dec 31, 2019 6:54:12 GMT -5
More like a bluff charge - yes, but the bear does not wish a quarrel with the bison. "Just keep your distance." Obviously, neither does the bison wish a quarrel with the bear.
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Post by brobear on Dec 31, 2019 7:37:50 GMT -5
Bison priscus
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Post by brobear on Dec 31, 2019 8:33:10 GMT -5
Bison
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 31, 2019 16:53:16 GMT -5
More like a bluff charge - yes, but the bear does not wish a quarrel with the bison. "Just keep your distance." Obviously, neither does the bison wish a quarrel with the bear. Thats true. The adults mostly avoid each other.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jan 1, 2020 3:27:27 GMT -5
Bison Time for another battle Royale.
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Post by brobear on Jan 14, 2020 8:11:14 GMT -5
Bison priscus and Bos primigenius by Roman Uchytel - It seems that these two species have hybridized giving rise to the current European Bison:
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Post by brobear on Jan 15, 2020 2:54:50 GMT -5
No grizzly would ever face a "bull" like this...
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 15, 2020 6:01:28 GMT -5
You are right, the Pleistocene American bison (Bison Latifrons) weighted up to 4400 lbs and had 84 inch horns used as a deterrent to Saber toothed cats and the Short faced bear. No bear was getting close to this one.
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Post by brobear on Feb 13, 2020 16:20:37 GMT -5
books.google.com › books Animal Life and Lore - Page 7 Osmond Philip Breland - 1972 - Snippet view FOUND INSIDE - PAGE 7 Bulls and Bison. ... A grizzly was once seen to attack and kill four bison bulls one after the other. ... to the dead grizzly, which had obviously been killed by the bloody horns of the bull. Lion vs. Tiger. Because of the ballyhoo attached to the noble ... *Not at all sure about this? Why would a grizzly attack even a single bull bison? Why would four bulls be together? Too many unanswered questions.
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 13, 2020 17:37:36 GMT -5
books.google.com › books Animal Life and Lore - Page 7 Osmond Philip Breland - 1972 - Snippet view FOUND INSIDE - PAGE 7 Bulls and Bison. ... A grizzly was once seen to attack and kill four bison bulls one after the other. ... to the dead grizzly, which had obviously been killed by the bloody horns of the bull. Lion vs. Tiger. Because of the ballyhoo attached to the noble ... *Not at all sure about this? Why would a grizzly attack even a single bull bison? Why would four bulls be together? Too many unanswered questions. Ok i just found the book, its here:
The top part, the grizzly killing 4 bull bisons one after the other....hhmmmmmm, i dont know, i have to be very honest, that does not sound very real, sounds a like fantasy to me. What do you think brobear?
But look at the second part from the same book: the bear is famous for its terrific blows it can deliver. With a good solid punch the fight can end. Also, the lion's superior agility would compensate to some extent a large grizzly weight.
Great find Brobear.
books.google.com/books?id=edBFAAAAYAAJ&q=Bulls+and+Bison.+...+A+grizzly+was+once+seen+to+attack+and+kill+four+bison+bulls+one+after+the+other.+...+to+the+dead+grizzly,+
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 15, 2020 11:45:51 GMT -5
At Carnivora, i saw that some fanboys think that a Cape buffalo or a bison would destroy a grizzly bear. Well obviously, they have not read historical books like History of a fallen king, or Caifornia grizzly. Sure as hell they dont have the slightest idea of the book NOTORIOUS GRIZZLY BEARS. All the accounts in these books suggest that grizzly vs large bovines is 50%. Tell those fangirls to read historical books written by historians and zoologists for once.
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Post by brobear on Feb 15, 2020 14:11:03 GMT -5
I read that; great book. All we can really do when talking about African buffalo, Asiatic water buffalo, gaur, yak, or other larege bovines is guess. Of course, unlike the fan-boys mentioned in reply 326 above, we make educated guesses derived from historical books. It is true that in the "Old West" there were those that told tall tales. But, this was also a time period of strict Bible believers who risk a rope noose before telling a lie. There was also such a thing as strong family pride that prevented lying. In other words; among the tall tales were also told true stories. According to the tales, a boar grizzly stands a good 50% chance against a bull bison. When we look at the size differences between the various wild bovine of the world, we see that the differences are not so great. When we say that the grizzly might win such a face-off 50%, that is a rough estimate based on how well he possibly did against a bison. Against a yak or a gaur, his precentages might drop down to perhaps as much as 40%. Its all guess-work.
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Post by brobear on Feb 15, 2020 17:24:58 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Feb 18, 2020 14:34:37 GMT -5
Reply #330 is a The European bison (Bison bonasus) or wisent. Reply #331 is a Bos primigenius or Aurochs. Both of these wild bovine were native to Europe and have probably been preyed upon by the European grizzly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 13:59:46 GMT -5
A grizzly killed a healthy adult bison cow Later in the week, we were alerted to a bison carcass by Caroline, an interpretive ranger. With much yelling and eyeing of the forest edges, we flushed the 30+ ravens off the carcass as we approached. The necropsy found significant subcutaneous hemorrhaging on the hump of the very healthy (lots of fat in the hump and marrow) cow bison, indicating that she was killed by a bear. Grizzly bears often attack from the front, as opposed to wolves, which typically attack from the rear. The bears basically give their prey a good swat in the face or jump them from the side and latch onto their back. www.aspiringecologist.com/2010/03/keys-bleh.html
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 14:10:17 GMT -5
So the conclusion is
Grizzlies are still capable of killing healthy adult prey and it attacks more often from the front
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 1, 2020 14:12:40 GMT -5
Reply # 334. Great account bro.
And of course, great phrase. Lets also add tigers which are the masters of attacking from the rear.
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