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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 10:56:31 GMT -5
Comparison. American Bison vs Grizzly bear.
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Post by brobear on Jan 16, 2018 11:12:07 GMT -5
Perfecto! Great work as usual Gurahl. Bison: Shoulder height: 6 feet 3 inches - Length: 11 feet 6 inches - Weight: 2,866 pounds. Grizzly: Shoulder height: 4 feet 11 inches - Length: 9 feet 10 inches - Weight: 1,433 pounds. We know that a big boar grizzly stands a 50% chance of a victory in a face-to-face confrontation against a bull bison.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 11:17:01 GMT -5
Thanks Toby. Another comparison. Cape buffalo vs Grizzly bear.
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Post by brobear on Jan 16, 2018 11:30:08 GMT -5
Cape Buffalo: Shoulder Height: 5 feet 7 inches - Length: 11 feet 2 inches - Weight: 2,205 pounds. Grizzly: Shoulder height: 4 feet 11 inches - Length: 9 feet 10 inches - Weight: 1,433 pounds. Being basically the size of a bison, I will give the Cape Buffalo a 50-50 against a big boar grizzly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 11:42:53 GMT -5
One more before I go do other stuff. The markers on this one are a bit off placed for the bull because the pic was too big, but this was the best pic I could find of one to make a comparison, so it'll have to do until I learn how to erase the background. Wild asian buffalo vs Grizzly bear.
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Post by brobear on Jan 16, 2018 11:48:34 GMT -5
Wild Asian ( water ) Buffalo: Shoulder Height: 6 feet 3 inches - Length: 9 feet - Weight: 2,645 pounds. Grizzly: Shoulder height: 4 feet 11 inches - Length: 9 feet 10 inches - Weight: 1,433 pounds. Being basically the size of a bison, I will give the Asian Buffalo a 50-50 against a big boar grizzly.
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Post by brobear on Jan 16, 2018 16:02:19 GMT -5
The Grizzly here is a big Kodiak. Big but not unusually so. In fact 223 pounds below the record wild grizzly actually weighed. A normal maximum.
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Post by brobear on Jan 18, 2018 9:33:47 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_yak Historically, the main natural predator of the wild yak has been the Tibetan wolf, but brown bears and snow leopards have also been reported as predators in some areas, likely of young or infirm wild yaks.
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Post by tom on Jan 19, 2018 18:00:46 GMT -5
I would think it would have to be an exceptionally large Grizzly to be able to handle prey such as a Bison or even a cape buffalo. Both can have short fuses for tempers. Even then he would be risking serious injury or possibly death in doing so. Both the Bison and Cape buffalo are enormously strong as you can see by this old video clip of a Bison flipping a man into the air like a rag doll.
We also have to look at the headwear that this bovines posses which easily could inflict lethal damage to the Bears midsection. I would think it would have to be a Bear which would have to be 1000 lbs or more to be able to tackle one of these. Anything less I give the edge to the Buffalo / Bison. Of course this is just my opinion. The Bear doesn't kill like a Lion so he must use his brute strength to over power such a beast and when your foe has the power that those Bovines have it's a street fight so to speak.
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Post by brobear on Jan 19, 2018 19:05:29 GMT -5
Absolutely true Tom. The record inland grizzly skull is a "found" skull, not one shot by modern hunters. It is a relic from the days when bison followed the "buffalo" herds. It has been estimated that the average full-grown grizzly boar weighed 850 pounds. It would likely take a grizzly of such a size to handle a one-ton bull bison. Yes, I would say that it would take a bear no less than 850 pounds. Back in the Old West pioneer days, such trophies as skulls were not saved. The find was simply a fluke.
I will edit and add: The record trophy grizzly skull - all are by modern-day hunters - scored 27 6/16. The skull of the old bison-hunter scored 27 13/16. The relic was simply a random find, meaning that this old grizzly was very likely a typical bear from that time period. Not likely to just happen upon a record bear by chance.
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Post by brobear on Jan 20, 2018 6:16:11 GMT -5
As for the biggest-and-strongest-ever-grizzly going up against a pachyderm ( rhinoceros, hippopotamus, or elephant ) I would give the bear an absolute zero chance of a victory. The one known event, which took place in the ancient Roman arena, ended very decisively. The rhinoceros easily killed the gladiatorial bear. Bears lack the athleticism and the proper weapons to kill such powerful foes. In that same arena, I would give either a lion or a tiger less than a 50% chance, but the big cat would not lose every fight - ( IMO ).
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Post by brobear on Jan 20, 2018 6:38:10 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Jan 20, 2018 6:44:49 GMT -5
The European brown bear, those big fierce old grizzlies of olden-times, no doubt hunted Aurochs claves, This of course, would sometimes result in conflicts with mature cows and bulls. In the Old West of N. America, we know for fact that grizzlies hunted the feral range cattle which were later given the moniker - Texas Longhorn.
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Post by tom on Jan 20, 2018 13:03:36 GMT -5
An interesting artists rendition of a Grizzly / Bison battle. Note the Frontal assault, very difficult for a bear to win IMO.
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Post by brobear on Jan 20, 2018 13:20:25 GMT -5
So true! And with a grizzly, most fights are full-frontal. He actually has to overpower his opponent. This is why, as you stated earlier Tom, it takes a big grizzly to kill a bull bison. I wish that we could travel back in time and observe those old grizzly hunters of the Old West.
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Post by brobear on Mar 12, 2018 2:24:51 GMT -5
I can name only three herbivores that are absolutely out of the bear's league - the pachyderms - hippopotamus, rhinoceros, and elephant. As for the largest of the wild bull bovines such as bison, yak, Asian and African buffaloes, and gaur ... I would ( IMO ) give a 1000+ pound grizzly a 50-50. Giraffe is an enigma - I cannot even picture this face-off in my mind.
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Post by brobear on Mar 28, 2018 7:16:21 GMT -5
About the gaur; biggest and heaviest of living wild bovine. I consider the gaur as a bit overrated. In fact, I believe posted somewhere in - wildfact.com/forum/ - it is told that tigers have more trouble hunting and killing water buffalo than gaur. In other words, the water buffalo is a better tiger-fighter than the heavier gaur. When you look at a gaur in profile, he appears incredibly muscular and massive. However, when you take a more detailed look, those awesome shoulders are actually a ridge. Also, in looking at the neck of the gaur, a bison has him beat by a huge margin. Yes, against any wild bull bovine, I would give a half-ton or better boar grizzly a 50% chance of a victory.
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Post by brobear on Mar 28, 2018 7:29:06 GMT -5
Roughly equal in size are the bison and the African buffalo. The African ( Cape ) buffalo has the reputation of being exceedingly dangerous. He is bad-tempered and has horns that are, in my opinion, the best design for fighting of all the bovine species. The American bison is ( IMO ) pound-for-pound the strongest of bovines; although I am only going according to appearance. According to historical reports from the pioneer American West, in a clash of titans between boar grizzly and bull bison, those bloody battles ended as often in favor of the bison as in favor of the great bear. I see no reason to suspect that this ratio would be any different with any other bovine species.
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Post by brobear on Apr 16, 2018 7:41:30 GMT -5
onekindplanet.org/animal/yak/ Historically, the main natural predator of the wild yak has been the Tibetan Wolf, but Brown Bears and Snow Leopards have also been reported to predate on Yak in some areas. *Note: most likely bears preying on calves.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 9:40:31 GMT -5
Almost any bear is going to have a tough time with the likes of a Guar. A very risky prey item to say the very least. In pit fights from the past, sometimes these animals would manage to gore the bear killing it. A massive animal like a Guar or bison is going to make the bear work for the victory. I feel the same way even if we used a large Kodiak bear.
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