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Post by brobear on May 7, 2022 1:17:14 GMT -5
Please pardon me Montezuma for altering the title of this topic. When we think "king of beasts" we are thinking of the land-based predators. We all know that the sea has it's own collection of big, powerful, ferocious creatures. We all know that, when it comes right down to the nitty gritty, the elephant is the undisputed champion of the land-based animals. And please, let's not get into the world of micro-organisms. The crown and throne of the 'King of Beasts' should go to one of the top three; lion, tiger, or brown bear. As I've mentioned more than once, no family tree of the brown bears is complete if the polar bear is left out. One on one, the average tiger is bigger and stronger than the average lion. One on one, the average brown bear is bigger and stronger than the average tiger. There are many advantages to be looked at and considered when choosing a favorite in a fight; weight, strength, stamina, speed, agility, and so on. ( IMO ) with the exception of a massive size difference ( example: elephant ), the advantage of numbers rule over all other advantages. If the lion, the tiger, and the brown bear all lived within one single landmass, the brown bear could displace a tiger or a lone lion from a carcass. However, a pride of lions could displace the brown bear from that same carcass. So, who stands as the 'King of Beasts', the one who is singularly the strongest predator or the one who commands a force in numbers? It all depends on personal perspective.
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Post by Montezuma on May 30, 2022 20:15:50 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Jun 17, 2022 14:11:52 GMT -5
People probably have revered bears for as long as we have interacted with them. And while bear worship is not a part of most modern religions, it is natural for us - even those of us who have never seen a bear - to be awed by such magnificent and formidable creatures. _Charles Fergus
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Post by brobear on Jul 29, 2022 4:40:35 GMT -5
Obviously, when speaking of a "King of Beasts" we are looking for a carnivorous predator or else we would be looking at the bull African bush elephant. That land-based predator would have to either be a big cat or a bear because size matters. Here is my list which I do not expect other members to all be in agreement with; My opinions, based on one-on-one / face-to-face combat over a carcass. #1- polar bear. #2- brown bear. #3- tiger. #4- lion. #5- moon bear / Am. black bear. #6- sloth bear. #7- Andean bear / giant panda. #8- jaguar. #9- sun bear. #10- leopard. #11- cougar. #12- snow leopard. Note: Polar bear number one because as a species, on average, he has a significant weight advantage. At equal weight, I would wager on the brown bear, although at weight-parity, a polar bear would not be a pushover even for a huge Kodiak.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jul 29, 2022 7:31:43 GMT -5
I don’t really worry about the title. That doesn’t make it the strongest. Bull African elephants are the strongest animals on land alive yet they are not the king of the jungle.
Many sauropods are larger and stronger than the T. rex known as the tyrant king.
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Post by brobear on Jul 29, 2022 12:08:44 GMT -5
I don’t really worry about the title. That doesn’t make it the strongest. Bull African elephants are the strongest animals on land alive yet they are not the king of the jungle. Many sauropods are larger and stronger than the T. rex known as the tyrant king. We are talking about predators ( Reply #11 ). Quote, "I don’t really worry about the title." Yeah, those titles are for those people who admire them. But basically, this is about which predator would dominate if they all were to share one single environment. This would be best determined on who could best defend a carcass. In reality, that would be a pride of lions.
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Post by brobear on Dec 21, 2022 5:58:13 GMT -5
Even though herbivores in some societies have been given the title of 'king of beasts' or similar titles such as the elephant, most often a predator is chosen. Also note, the waters (ocean, rivers, etc) have their own rulers. So, in reality, there are only two choices; the lion and the bear. By bear, I am talking about the brown bear. His closest relative, the polar bear, is 'king of the arctic circle'. So, who most deserves the title? The brown bear, who cannot be defeated in single combat against any other land-based mammalian predator, or the lion, who walks with brothers and leads a pride of fierce females? Imo, if they shared the same domain, the lions would be the dominant force. But, should force of numbers earn him the title or should the crown go to the part-time predator who could vanquish the lion in a one-on-one confrontation?
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Post by brobear on Dec 27, 2022 14:13:32 GMT -5
Sometime between the years 1150 AD and 1200 Ad, the lion was accepted in Europe as the king of beasts. Some territories held onto the bear longer than others. The lion was chosen; not by the people but by the church, which was with questionable integrity in this time period. Today, roughly 800 years later, the lion is still known as the king of beasts. The earliest evidence recorded of reverence bestowed upon the bear was 80,000 BC and ended once the lion was accepted; roughly 81,200 years later. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Edit and add; If all the living animals lived within one vast landmass, the lion would likely be the dominant land predator; thus "king of bests." Not because he is individually the mightiest, but because he is the biggest and strongest of the pack-hunters. Individually, the brown bear is the "king of beasts", which includes the polar bear. But, numbers prevail.
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