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Post by Montezuma on Dec 5, 2022 10:59:07 GMT -5
Oh wait guys, i found a quote that exactly fits for cat fanboys. (This quote is also tom's signature)
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Post by brobear on Dec 5, 2022 11:29:07 GMT -5
And here is another good point brought in by 'Taker, concerning the newspaper headlines and story.... Surely a headline with the words "Tiger kills huge brown bear" gets more views than "Brown bear carcass scavenged by a variety of predators."
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Post by brobear on Dec 5, 2022 23:55:50 GMT -5
Over at 'The Carnival' in topic: 'Siberian Tiger v Ussuri Brown Bear' - #4790 Apex Titan/Ghengis/Mountain Lord/Boogeyman posts yet another long meaningless conglomeration of crap. But this time, vip.everyday has an answer for him. Brilliant. The Boogeyman, you're a typical spammer. You have written long posts without any new information, because absolutely all the information that can be extracted from your posts has been written above by others before you. You are a problem in every topic you participate in because you make every page you write unreadable with your long, impractical posts. Although it is possible that, given your very poor understanding of the sources you cite, spam is your actual target. *Note: the kid should keep his conglomerations of spam at WF where they can go unchallenged.
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Post by Montezuma on Dec 6, 2022 1:32:33 GMT -5
/\ Vipeveryday, well very nicely defined the personality of boggeyman. Should we invite vip here?
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Post by Montezuma on Dec 6, 2022 1:38:17 GMT -5
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 6, 2022 1:52:05 GMT -5
/\ Go ahead and send them an email then.
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Post by brobear on Dec 6, 2022 1:55:23 GMT -5
Thank you Montezuma. But, if I were to email anyone, it would probably be Dale Miquelle who is a real expert on Russian wildlife and, I'm sure, was aware of this story before we were. But, in all honesty, I see no need. I see this "event" as no more than a typical example of news reporters giving flair to an otherwise dull story. The tiger, along with other scavengers, discovered the frozen carcass of an adult male brown bear in the snow. That is the story. There is a reason why we have heard nothing from the scientific community.
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Post by brobear on Dec 6, 2022 2:15:41 GMT -5
/\ Vipeveryday, well very nicely defined the personality of boggeyman. Should we invite vip here? If you can figure out how. Taipan has a strict rule against one member inviting another member to another forum. Taipan is a dictator. But, if you can pull that off, he would be a welcome addition to the Domain. _______________________________________ *Note; a point to remember. This ridiculous story, which grew from nothing more than a tiger scavenging a bear carcass, and told as a classic "tiger fights and kills huge male brown bear", which is the tiger fanboys ultimate fantasy, remains unconfirmed. And please note; it will indeed remain unconfirmed. Biologists are showing no interest in this wild tale of a tiger fighting with a gigantic male brown bear and killing the bear without receiving so much as a scratch. LOL! This story is as dead as the frozen bear carcass.
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Post by brobear on Dec 6, 2022 2:28:24 GMT -5
Amur Brown Bear - Ursus arctos lasiotus - Ussuri Brown Bear - Manchurian Brown Bear - Ezo Bear - Black Grizzly.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 6, 2022 3:02:45 GMT -5
Kamkatcha brown bear.
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Post by Montezuma on Dec 6, 2022 5:07:59 GMT -5
/\ Go ahead and send them an email then. Sure, i would email them one by one. But a sometime later. However, now i have email one of them.
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Post by Montezuma on Dec 6, 2022 5:11:24 GMT -5
brobear i agree. I too clearly see that its no more than a GUESS. There are many other possiblities too which surprisingly arn't mentioned. It is unconfirmed, and needs no clarfication from expert. Nevertheless, if anybody would like to contact and have other experts opinion so he/she can contact them via link.
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Post by brobear on Dec 6, 2022 7:01:26 GMT -5
/\ Go ahead and send them an email then. Sure, i would email them one by one. But a sometime later. However, now i have email one of them. Federal State Budgetary Institution... www.zapovedamur.ru/contacts REPORT FIRES, EMERGENCIES, UNAUTHORIZED WASTE DISPOSAL AND OTHER VIOLATIONS These people are not wildlife experts. Granted they must be each educated within his specific field of work; but these folks are not biologists.
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Post by Granolah on Dec 6, 2022 15:56:14 GMT -5
Ah yes, a tiger fought an adult male brown bear and no injuries how believable 😂
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Post by Granolah on Dec 6, 2022 17:01:10 GMT -5
We had huge male tigers like Dima, almost die to a female brown bear who was smaller.
Apex Titan is wrong.
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Post by brobear on Dec 6, 2022 22:40:07 GMT -5
Carnival; S.T. vs U.B.B. #4795. Warsaw brings up some interesting points. The frozen bear carcass is snow covered. The bear and tiger tracks are not. Besides other scavengers, there was both a tiger and another bear. Perhaps the other brown bear had killed this smaller bear. Quote: "So ,body of the bear has been sent for examination to determine the cause of death?Of course not." ____________________________________________________ *Bottom line; The cause of the brown bear's death remains unknown. Otherwise, a carcass scavenging event. So, the Khabarovsk Territory wild tale, which grew from animals scavenging on the carcass of a dead bear, was the biggest story of 2022 for the tiger fans. They had their brief moment in the sun. But now, it's time to move forward and leave this farse behind us.
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Post by brobear on Dec 7, 2022 1:19:03 GMT -5
Histories most famous ( or infamous ) tiger was M20/T-20/Dale/Dima/Misha ( take your pick of names ) who became a celebrity on wild animal face-off forums. To start with ( late 1990s and early 2000s ) the story was passed around and very popular among the tiger fans that Dale had killed a huge male brown bear double his own weight. However, it wasn't long before this tale was discredited. The truth is, Dale, a large male tiger, also known as the "bear killer", was confirmed to have killed numerous adolescent bears and two adult female brown bears. The largest of those two she-bears was estimated, by those who actually viewed the bear's remains, at somewhere between 330 and 440 pounds. Well naturally, the tiger fans picked-up the 440-pound ball and ran with it. For years the story ran rampant that Dale had killed a she-bear nearly his own weight ( Dale had been weighed-in at 445 pounds ). The truth - the biggest adult bear killed by Dale weighed between 330 and 440 pounds. Average-out those two numbers and we get 385 pounds. Therefore, the biggest bear confirmed killed by a tiger probably weighed roughly 385 pounds. So, Dale probably had roughly a 60-pound weight advantage over this she-bear that he had ambushed and struggled with for roughly 20-minutes before killing her. *Note: Fact to remember; the weights of the two female brown bears killed by Dale remain unknown. So, while the actual weight of the biggest brown bear known to have been killed by a tiger (confirmed) is unknown, when we average-out the estimates (estimated by biologists) of that big she-bear, she likely weighed in the neighborhood of 385 pounds... give or take 40 pounds.
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Post by brobear on Dec 7, 2022 10:12:44 GMT -5
Posted by Apex Titan (desperate fanboy) ON THE EDGE OF EXTINCTION #2650.
Credits to poster 'goodhope683' for contacting biologist Sergey Kolchin.
This is for the bear-posters who claim that this incident is not confirmed by biologists. By the way, a biologist doesn't need to "confirm" this account to be true anyway, they're not the authorities in this case, the forest guards and rangers are. They're the one's who found the killed bear and examined the place! They found clear traces of a fight between the tiger and brown bear. ___________________________________________________________ Q: Hello, sir. You are an expert on bears, and in Russia, I want to ask whether it is true that brown bears were killed and eaten by tigers. Thank you, sir.
Sergey Kolchin: Hello. Yes, it's true. Why not? This is a common prey for adult male tiger. Bear was not so bigger.
Q: Oh! Thank you for your reply! thank you! This bear has a front palm pad width of 18 cm. Is he an adult?
Sergey Kolchin: I'm not sure that the size of the paw is determined correctly. 18 cm is a big male. but the bear didn't look like that. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________
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Post by brobear on Dec 7, 2022 10:17:10 GMT -5
Posted by Apex Titan (desperate fanboy) ON THE EDGE OF EXTINCTION #2650. Credits to poster 'goodhope683' for contacting biologist Sergey Kolchin. This is for the bear-posters who claim that this incident is not confirmed by biologists. By the way, a biologist doesn't need to "confirm" this account to be true anyway, they're not the authorities in this case, the forest guards and rangers are. They're the one's who found the killed bear and examined the place! They found clear traces of a fight between the tiger and brown bear. ___________________________________________________________ Q: Hello, sir. You are an expert on bears, and in Russia, I want to ask whether it is true that brown bears were killed and eaten by tigers. Thank you, sir. Sergey Kolchin: Hello. Yes, it's true. Why not? This is a common prey for adult male tiger. Bear was not so bigger. Q: Oh! Thank you for your reply! thank you! This bear has a front palm pad width of 18 cm. Is he an adult? Sergey Kolchin: I'm not sure that the size of the paw is determined correctly. 18 cm is a big male. but the bear didn't look like that. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Q- Is it true that brown bears are killed and eaten by tigers? A- Yes; sloth bears, moon bears, adolescent brown bears, and brown she-bears are sometimes ambushed and killed. Q- This bear has a front palm pad of 18 cm.... A- 18 cm is a big male. but the bear didn't look like that. (the bear tracks were not from the dead snow-covered bear).
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Post by brobear on Dec 7, 2022 12:13:09 GMT -5
Here is more ignorance from that same post by the desperate fanboy: Quote: When a highly respected biologist and major expert on tigers and bears in Russia (Batalov) did report a case of a tiger killing a huge male brown bear, the bear-posters ignorantly rejected Batalov's account because it didn't suit their agenda. Answer- Fake News. I saw nothing written directly from Batalov stating that Ochkarik killed Chlamida. This is a lie. ___________________________________________________________________________________________ Quote: But all 3 experienced forest rangers were able to determine that the tiger killed a large male brown bear of impressive size, with a palm callus width of 18 cm. This is undeniable. Answer- the biologist you got a letter from denied it. Also, Warsaw noticed that the bear carcass was snow-covered while the footprints were not. The bear that made those footprints is not the bear that had died from unknown means. _________________________________________________________________ There was no big fight between a tiger and a bear. I will add... the fanboy posts this on WF where he knows he will go unchallenged. He has not posted at the Carnival, where his posts always gets dismantled.
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