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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2018 9:49:56 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2018 11:00:30 GMT -5
My personal thoughts: The most aggressive living bear on earth is: Maybe - sloth bear. Maybe - sun bear. Maybe - barren ground grizzly. Maybe - Tibetan blue bear.
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Post by brobear on Mar 21, 2018 15:24:01 GMT -5
Aggression: I wholeheartedly believe that aggression can be a huge advantage in a fight. Consider the Viking "berserkers" who would fight relentlessly, being stopped only by death. A truly aggressive fighter puts all ideas of fear behind himself and totally ignores pain. He just keeps moving forward pounding or slashing or whatever the case may be. I have known a few really big strong boys who just could not fight. If he were to break a nail you'd best dial 9-1-1. We use to refer to such a boy as a "panda-puss" - nothing to do with sexuality and not really in a mean way. The exception to the rule would be a "scientific fighter" such as a master of the martial arts. For him to perform efficiently, he must keep a clear mind. Could a master of kung-fu stop a berserker? When talking about wild beasts; aggression is ( IMO ) a big advantage.
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Post by tom on Mar 21, 2018 16:47:52 GMT -5
I agree 100% with the notion that aggression plays a huge part in the outcome of a fight or whether to even fight at all. My previous example of the Wolverine is just one good example. Wolverines have been known to hold their ground against predators much bigger than they, that would include Bears and Wolves. IMO a single Grey wolf would be hard pressed to displace a Wolverine from his food as would a Bear. Their disposition and tenacity just oozes "If you mess with me your going to pay".
In the Bear world as with many mammals including humans as you pointed out, you have aggressive individuals and more passive individuals. The passive individuals are not looking for a fight. Normally it's the biggest male Bears that dominate the smaller ones but IMO it's not inconceivable (although less likely) for a smaller highly aggressive Bear to overthrow the bigger one for the right to breed or the best fishing spot on the stream.
Size doesn't always determine the outcome. Look no further that a Sow Grizzly defending her cubs from a marauding male who's intent is to kill the cubs to bring her back into estrus. She may be 2/3rds his size but she is relentless in her determination to protect her cubs at all costs even if it means risking her own life against a much bigger and stronger male. More times than not I have to believe the females usually drive the males off solely due to their aggression .
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Post by brobear on Mar 22, 2018 2:57:45 GMT -5
This is all so true Tom. I have watched on so many documentaries the mother-bear drive off big burly males. I also watched a fight once which took place on the shores of the Alaskan peninsula where two huge boars fought. Both were huge, but one had an obvious size advantage. But it was the smaller of the two that kept pushing forward and finally drove off the bigger grizzly. Besides the wolverine there are also the American badger and Africa's honey badger. Also the little Tasmanian devil. From reading history involving the grizzly, surprising to me, the Mexican grizzly was described by pioneers as being "the least grizzly-like of grizzlies." He was said to have been more vegetarian and more black bear-like in his aggression. Being within about the same size-range of the Canadian barren ground grizzly, I would bet heavily on the more aggressive tundra bear should there had been a fight between the two. Another example of a non-aggressive grizzly is the Himalayan brown bear ( red bear ). A red bear will retreat from an Asiatic black bear. His near-by neighbor, the blue bear ( Tibetan brown bear ) is highly aggressive.
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Post by brobear on Sept 4, 2018 5:59:08 GMT -5
My personal thoughts: The most aggressive living bear on earth is: Maybe - sloth bear. Maybe - sun bear. Maybe - barren ground grizzly. Maybe - Tibetan blue bear ( a grizzly ). Maybe - Gobi bear ( a grizzly ). Also consider... the grizzly of pioneer America or the European brown bear of ancient days gone by.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 4, 2018 6:36:29 GMT -5
I would think that the most agressive is the grizzly, by far. Its so agressive that it has made polar bears run out.
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Post by tom on Sept 5, 2018 0:46:04 GMT -5
I would think that the most agressive is the grizzly, by far. Its so agressive that it has made polar bears run out.In that video, it is mentioned that no one really know's for sure why Polar bears have an aversion to Grizzlies. Is it their aggression? Smell? A mature Male Polar bear would be quite capable of handling himself against a much smaller Grizzly, but they seem to shy away? Very puzzling indeed....
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Post by brobear on Sept 5, 2018 5:36:44 GMT -5
Yes, I agree that this is a mystery. One thought is that polar bears see fewer animal species than does a grizzly. The polar bear lives in a world where everything is either in the water or wabling around on flippers and smelling like fish. The sight and smell of a grizzly would be alien to the average polar bear. So, perhaps it is the fear of the unknown.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 5, 2018 6:36:46 GMT -5
For sure its a mistery. Polar bears even walk into beaches full of walruses.
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Post by brobear on Sept 8, 2018 4:39:52 GMT -5
A few posters on this topic in the past have claimed the sun bear as being the most aggressive. However, unlike a grizzly or a sloth bear, the little sun bear scurries up a tree at the sound of a snapped twig. If cornered, the sun bear can be a dangerous foe. I feel that the sloth bear probably owes his aggressive nature to his grizzly ancestors. Among the numerous grizzly "subspecies" there is a great range of dispositions from the almost docile Himalayan red bear, modern European brown bear, and Mexican grizzly to the short-fused bad-tempered barren ground grizzly, the Tibetan blue bear, and the Gobi bear. In Rudyard Kipling's "Jungle Books" he stated that Baloo is a brown bear. In fact, in his "Second Jungle Book" he wrote Baloo the Brown Bear with three capital B's. Walt Disney got it wrong when he called Baloo a sloth bear. If tigers and Himalayan brown bears ( red bears ) should find themselves living within the same location, tigers might then very well find themselves hunting and killing even full-grown grizzly boars.
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Post by brobear on Sept 8, 2018 4:44:36 GMT -5
www.coniferousforest.com/himalayan-brown-bear.htm Ursus arctos isabellinus Quick Information Also Known As Himalayan red bear, Dzu-Teh (Nepalese), Lal Bhalu (Hindi, Urdu), Isabelline bear Description Size: Males – 5 ft to 7 ft 3 in (1.5-2.2 m); Females – 4 ft 6 in to 6 ft (1.37m-1.83 m) Weight: Males – 298 lb (135 kg); Females – 150 lb (70 kg) Color: Reddish-brown to sandy Distribution South-east Kazakhstan, Northern Afghanistan, Northern Pakistan, Northern India, Tibet, and Nepal Habitat Forests at high altitudes, alpine meadow Communication Growls, woofs, roars, smacks, and champs to express aggression; bawls, grunts, and woofs to express nervousness; females sometimes hum or bleat to communicate with their cubs Lifespan Wild: 20-30 years; Captivity: 50 years Diet Omnivorous; sheep, goats, insects, roots, grasses, fruits, and berries Adaptations These bears hibernate intermittently during the winter months, they move into a self-made cave in October and come out in April or May The strong muscles in the shoulder helps them to tear logs and dig up roots to find food Their sharp claw are long and strong enough to aid them in digging through hard soil for making dens
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Post by brobear on Sept 29, 2018 8:10:25 GMT -5
Melursus theobaldi was an ancestral bear intermediate between the grizzly and the sloth bear. This clearly explains why the sloth bear does not scurry up a tree as he is fully capable of doing. He inherited the grizzly's courage and aggressive behavior. The fact that a group of grizzlies conquered the tropical environment of India where he adapted and evolved into the sloth bear bears witness to the grizzly bear's incredible survival skills. Just as that other group of grizzlies which conquered the far arctic to evolve into the huge polar bears. The grizzly ( Ursus arctos ) is clearly the King of Bears. He survived in Europe when the giant cave bears became extinct. He survived in North America when the giant short-faced bears became extinct.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 20:08:36 GMT -5
Melursus theobaldi was an ancestral bear intermediate between the grizzly and the sloth bear. This clearly explains why the sloth bear does not scurry up a tree as he is fully capable of doing. He inherited the grizzly's courage and aggressive behavior. The fact that a group of grizzlies conquered the tropical environment of India where he adapted and evolved into the sloth bear bears witness to the grizzly bear's incredible survival skills. Just as that other group of grizzlies which conquered the far arctic to evolve into the huge polar bears. The grizzly ( Ursus arctos ) is clearly the King of Bears. He survived in Europe when the giant cave bears became extinct. He survived in North America when the giant short-faced bears became extinct. Now I know why the sloth bear don't back down so easily.
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Post by brobear on Sept 30, 2018 5:41:46 GMT -5
It has often been stated that no brown bear family tree is complete without the polar bear. I agree. I will add to this that no family tree of the brown bear is complete without both the polar bear and the sloth bear. By the way, I have searched for years for a 'Brown Bear Family Tree' and have come up empty. Bear ( in general ) family tree's are easy to find.
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Post by brobear on Sept 30, 2018 6:41:46 GMT -5
Back on topic: MOST AGGRESSIVE BEAR: Casey Anderson once stated that had Timothy Treadwell tried to "bond" with inland grizzlies in Montana rather than the big coastal brown bears of Alaska, he would have probably been killed much sooner. Inland grizzlies ( the true horrible bear ) are much more aggressive than the big salmon-eaters. Of all inland grizzly populations, the barren ground grizzly of the Canadian tundra are considered to be the most aggressive. I don't believe that any bear species the size of this short-fused beast could defeat him in a face-off. ( normally within the 300 pound range ) - adult male ).
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 30, 2018 7:31:41 GMT -5
Correct me if i am wrong, was it not a shatun bear that killed Timothy Treadwell?
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Post by brobear on Sept 30, 2018 7:45:28 GMT -5
No, I don't think so. Timothy Treadwell was not a professional. I'm not trying to bad-mouth him. He was a very brave man. But, he thought himself to have a special connection with the bears. A personal bond. But there was that one bear. Timothy had spoken of this particular bear on several occasions. There was one bear who simple seemed not to like humans. Perhaps this brown bear had experienced some harmful event with people. In any case, this grizzly was always unfriendly with Timothy. Remember; grizzlies are highly diverse in their personalities.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 30, 2018 8:31:38 GMT -5
And in the video, wow, those were some agony screams. that bear got both of them.
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Post by tom on Sept 30, 2018 13:27:23 GMT -5
The Timothy Treadwell story is a very intriguing story. I don't think I would necessarily call him brave, delusional may be a better term. I've seen clips of him stating that bears can be dangerous. I think he actually believed that if he spent enough time with them and in close proximity that they would except him as just another Bear. As one bush pilot seems to think the bears left him alone possibly because they thought there was something wrong with him much like some people would feel being around someone who is mentally retarded. Another characterized it to the point that Timothy actually treated these bears as humans in bear costumes. The Bear that killed Timothy was an old bear (bear 141) tagged in 1990. Rangers estimated the bear was 28 years old and scrawny looking even though the bears weight was estimated to be close to 1000 lbs. He may not have been among the bears that Timothy was studying. This old Bear had teeth missing and others warn down to nearly the gum line. Rangers estimated that old bears in this condition are much more likely to raid camps looking for easy meals rather than fighting younger stronger bears for scraps of Salmon. The Bush Pilot that found Timothy stated he had seen this bear before while flying over the camp and just looked like a mean old angry Bear. AT this point most if not all the Bears that Timothy had studied had moved on to start their hibernation. The streams were seeing the very tail end of the Salmon and this old bear was in poor condition for hibernation. I truly believe that this was a case of a hungry old bear that thought that Treadwell and his girlfriend would be an easy meal. The account of what the Alaskan troopers along with Park Rangers found at the scene is quite alarming. Take special note of the sections under "Discoveries and Investigation" and "Questions & Theories" towards the bottom. www.yellowstone-bearman.com/Tim_Treadwell.html
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