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Post by brobear on Sept 29, 2018 3:46:45 GMT -5
I had to research the kangal dog. Some domesticated bog breeds, especially Molossus-type, are incredibly fierce and powerful. One-on-one a fight might go either way. Pack vs pack my nickle is on the wolf pack. In the American West, there was a wolf named Lobo who had a bigger bounty on his head than Jessie James or Billy the Kid. He led a wolf pack and they preyed on domestic cattle. For a long time this wold eluded traps, poison, and hunters. Once a pack of big wolf hounds were set out after him. Lobo had his pack to split-up causing the dogs to split-up. Then Lobo brought his wolves back together in mass and then attacked and killed each individual small group of dogs. -Wolves are smarter than any domestic breed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 4:17:49 GMT -5
I had to research the kangal dog. Some domesticated bog breeds, especially Molossus-type, are incredibly fierce and powerful. One-on-one a fight might go either way. Pack vs pack my nickle is on the wolf pack. In the American West, there was a wolf named Lobo who had a bigger bounty on his head than Jessie James or Billy the Kid. He led a wolf pack and they preyed on domestic cattle. For a long time this wold eluded traps, poison, and hunters. Once a pack of big wolf hounds were set out after him. Lobo had his pack to split-up causing the dogs to split-up. Then Lobo brought his wolves back together in mass and then attacked and killed each individual small group of dogs. -Wolves are smarter than any domestic breed. I agree a pack of dogs vs a wolf pack a wolf should win every time in my opinion. Even the biggest dog vs a large north american gray timber wolf, I still back the wolf.
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Post by brobear on Sept 29, 2018 5:27:36 GMT -5
shaggygod.proboards.com/thread/1020/morphometry-kodiak-alaska-peninsula-brown Getting back to Kodiak brown bears, from the Kodiak National Wildlife Refuge Center, the figure of 600-1,400 lbs for male bears is easier understood. The lower range numbers correspond to young adult male Kodiak bears while the higher numbers correspond to the older mature bears. Regrettably, the data for older "trophy" size bears is thin (in my experience, this is true for many bear populations) where such data can be found would be from hunting literature sources but outside of skull measurements; finding out other morphometrical info (e.g, weight, chest girth, body length, paw size, etc) is challenging. Nonetheless, after reviewing a lot of the technical literature, the quote of the "half-ton" Kodiak bear are common is accurate. Anecdotal observation, when I am watching tourist video (e.g., Youtube) or viewing photograph of mature Kodiak brown bears (less online material) and mature SW Peninsula brown bears (a lot more online sources), I see a lot of males pushing and exceeding half-ton weight & size.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 29, 2018 5:34:29 GMT -5
This bear is huge. Nice. Brody will put a tiger down you hear me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 20:21:03 GMT -5
shaggygod.proboards.com/thread/1020/morphometry-kodiak-alaska-peninsula-brown Getting back to Kodiak brown bears, from the Kodiak National Wildlife Refuge Center, the figure of 600-1,400 lbs for male bears is easier understood. The lower range numbers correspond to young adult male Kodiak bears while the higher numbers correspond to the older mature bears. Regrettably, the data for older "trophy" size bears is thin (in my experience, this is true for many bear populations) where such data can be found would be from hunting literature sources but outside of skull measurements; finding out other morphometrical info (e.g, weight, chest girth, body length, paw size, etc) is challenging. Nonetheless, after reviewing a lot of the technical literature, the quote of the "half-ton" Kodiak bear are common is accurate. Anecdotal observation, when I am watching tourist video (e.g., Youtube) or viewing photograph of mature Kodiak brown bears (less online material) and mature SW Peninsula brown bears (a lot more online sources), I see a lot of males pushing and exceeding half-ton weight & size. Alot of kodiak bears that I se on youtube are on the smaller side? Why is that? Those must be the small adolescents bears.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 20:21:54 GMT -5
This bear is huge. Nice. Brody will put a tiger down you hear me. Definitely. I can't see a bar this big losing to any bug cat.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 20:54:21 GMT -5
I gt a question. Do kodiak dig up Earth alot like grizzlies and other brown bears?
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Post by tom on Sept 29, 2018 22:33:05 GMT -5
That may be hard to answer. I will say that due to food availability that interior Grizzlies are used to scavenging and scrounging for food thus may dig more as a result, of course I'm just speculating as all bears will dig if they feel the need.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 23:23:47 GMT -5
That may be hard to answer. I will say that due to food availability that interior Grizzlies are used to scavenging and scrounging for food thus may dig more as a result, of course I'm just speculating as all bears will dig if they feel the need. Thaat makes sense to me because grizzlies do have bigger humps on their back compared to kodiak bears.
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Post by brobear on Sept 30, 2018 3:29:27 GMT -5
Probably, the Kodiak bear digs more from want than need. Not only is the annual salmon run great, but these islands are lush with both wildlife and vegetation edible for bears. Of course, the big bears dig their dens. Grizzly bears are not lazy my any stretch. If a Kodiak grizzly wants some particular roots, tubers or rodents, he will dig half-way to China. Kodiak bears, per size, has the biggest heaviest bones of all brown bears. I'm not sure how his skeleton would compare with a polar bear.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 30, 2018 4:24:26 GMT -5
That may be hard to answer. I will say that due to food availability that interior Grizzlies are used to scavenging and scrounging for food thus may dig more as a result, of course I'm just speculating as all bears will dig if they feel the need. Thaat makes sense to me because grizzlies do have bigger humps on their back compared to kodiak bears. I dont know about that bro. I think the shoulder hump is the same size basically, or it might even be larger because of the kodiak size. They are both brown bears.
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Post by tom on Sept 30, 2018 18:26:33 GMT -5
Good post Brobear. Kodiak Bears have long been designated as one of two subspecies of Brown Bears in North America. But are they really? The Kodiak Archipelago is home to nearly 3,500 of the most magnificent brown bears in the world. It is here that the Kodiak National Wildlife Refuge was established in 1941, its foremost purpose being the protection of these national treasures. Kodiak brown bears have long been classified as a distinct subspecies, Ursus arctos middendorffi, one of two currently recognized brown bear subspecies in North America. However studies on Kodiak’s bears show that genetically they should not be classified as their own subspecies. Recent breakthroughs in genetic analyses have allowed biologists to pursue investigations into the genetic health of Kodiak’s bears. Biologists hoped to discover if concerns about genetic diversity in the bears is warranted and if their isolation from other populations leaves them more vulnerable to environmental disruptions. They also hoped to discover if Kodiak’s bears are really different from other brown bears. To address these questions, staff at the Kodiak National Wildlife Refuge initiated a study in cooperation with the U.S. Geological Survey’s Alaska Science Center (ACS) and the Alaska Department of Fish & Game. The ACS Conservation Genetics Laboratory examined samples from nearly 300 bears, analyzing genetic material to determine a variety of results. The study confirmed that brown bears of the Kodiak Archipelago have extremely low levels of nuclear genetic diversity. Indeed, their nuclear genetic diversity is the lowest of any documented brown bear population in North America. By comparison, it is less than half the level of the nearest brown bear population on the Alaska mainland. This low diversity suggests that the population was probably founded by a small number of bears, and that it has been isolated from populations on the Alaska mainland for a long time, probably since the end of the last ice age (10,000-12,000 years ago.) Genetic data also suggest that movement of bears between Kodiak and Afognak, the two main islands in the Archipelago, is so limited that Afognak’s bruins comprise a distinct population from those on Kodiak Island. More here: www.fws.gov/FieldNotes/regmap.cfm?arskey=20537
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Post by brobear on Oct 1, 2018 4:32:55 GMT -5
Nice Kodiak bear pictures Brute.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 5:01:45 GMT -5
Nice Kodiak bear pictures Brute. Thank you. I love these bears.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 5:02:08 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Oct 1, 2018 5:16:30 GMT -5
shaggygod.proboards.com/ this was an active site for roughly about eight years. Today, we see about one post every couple of months. Great information to be found there.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 6:21:19 GMT -5
shaggygod.proboards.com/ this was an active site for roughly about eight years. Today, we see about one post every couple of months. Great information to be found there. Who is the owner of the site? We need some more activity on the site.
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Post by brobear on Oct 1, 2018 6:34:41 GMT -5
shaggygod.proboards.com/ this was an active site for roughly about eight years. Today, we see about one post every couple of months. Great information to be found there. Who is the owner of the site? We need some more activity on the site. Not likely to happen. Both Grrraaahhh and Warsaw strongly dislike the animal face-off topic. They are both highly knowledgeable ( bear savvy ). Who I would love to locate... Big Bonns and Boxing Man. Big Boons was the greatest. I just missed Boxing Man. He was active right up until about the time I discovered AVA.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 0:37:58 GMT -5
Not likely to happen. Both Grrraaahhh and Warsaw strongly dislike the animal face-off topic. They are both highly knowledgeable ( bear savvy ). Who I would love to locate... Big Bonns and Boxing Man. Big Boons was the greatest. I just missed Boxing Man. He was active right up until about the time I discovered AVA. These guys that you speak of I would love to meet.
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