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Post by Montezuma on May 29, 2021 21:50:27 GMT -5
Is is a very interesting topic which i was thinking about. CHEETAH The cheetah (Acinonyx jubatus) is a large cat native to Africa and central Iran. It is the fastest land animal, estimated to be capable of running at 80 to 128 km/h (50 to 80 mph) with the fastest reliably recorded speeds being 93 and 98 km/h (58 and 61 mph), and as such has several adaptations for speed, including a light build, long thin legs and a long tail. It typically reaches 67–94 cm (26–37 in) at the shoulder, and the head-and-body length is between 1.1 and 1.5 m (3 ft 7 in and 4 ft 11 in). Adults weigh between 21 and 72 kg (46 and 159 lb). Its head is small, rounded, and has a short snout and black tear-like facial streaks. GREY WOLF The wolf (Canis lupus ), also known as the gray wolf or grey wolf, is a large canine native to Eurasia and North America. More than thirty subspecies of Canis lupus have been recognized, and gray wolves, as colloquially understood, comprise non-domestic/feral subspecies. The wolf is the largest extant member of the family Canidae, males averaging 40 kg (88 lb) and females 37 kg (82 lb). Wolves measure 105–160 cm (41–63 in) in length and 80–85 cm (31–33 in) at shoulder height. The wolf is also distinguished from other Canis species by its less pointed ears and muzzle, as well as a shorter torso and a longer tail. The wolf is nonetheless related closely enough to smaller Canis species, such as the coyote and the golden jackal, to produce fertile hybrids with them. The banded fur of a wolf is usually mottled white, brown, gray, and black, although subspecies in the arctic region may be nearly all white.
What are your opinions that who would win?
The most important opinion should be from thenormalguy
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on May 29, 2021 22:23:21 GMT -5
Grey wolf easily.
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Post by brobear on May 30, 2021 3:06:09 GMT -5
My opinion; see topic: "Cheetah as a face-off champion" - Grey Wolf.
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Post by theundertaker45 on May 30, 2021 3:20:56 GMT -5
The cheetah could keep up with the smaller populations of grey wolves but anything close to weight parity and I'll go with the wolf.
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Post by Montezuma on May 30, 2021 16:24:23 GMT -5
As i hoped, all bets are on Grey wolf which i also think.
Cheetah's claws are also blunt like canines and both opponent claws are not as sharp. Cheetah are fast hunters but wolves are hunters and fighters too who fight with other wolf packs and do little non-vicious fights within their pack to balance the discipline. Wolves are more aggressive and fierce than cheetahs. Both are almost equally powerful, and almost equal in body size and weight. And i think that the wolf's jaws are much better. So i also think that the wolf would win 7 out of 10 times?
What is the true bit force of a wolf? I really could not understand as there are multiful sute saying 700 pounds, 1200 pounds and some 1500 pounds. Thats out of my mind.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on May 30, 2021 17:50:40 GMT -5
I am not sure about the bite force of the wolf but they are very strong.
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Post by tom on May 30, 2021 19:54:51 GMT -5
So the consensus seems to be that anything approaching weight parity the Wolf would likely be the victor in a one on one battle. How would this same scenario play out if we substitute the Cheetah for a Cougar? Lets say at weight parity.
Or... maybe the question should be who is the more formidable opponent the Cheetah or the Cougar?
I have more to add to this but I want to hear what your opinions are first.
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Post by Montezuma on May 30, 2021 20:35:18 GMT -5
So the consensus seems to be that anything approaching weight parity the Wolf would likely be the victor in a one on one battle. How would this same scenario play out if we substitute the Cheetah for a Cougar? Lets say at weight parity. Or... maybe the question should be who is the more formidable opponent the Cheetah or the Cougar? I have more to add to this but I want to hear what your opinions are first. Cougar is another story. A single cougar would easily kill a wolf because compared to cheetahs, cougars are stronger and have sharper claws. Cougar is also agile.
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Post by tom on May 30, 2021 21:16:57 GMT -5
So the consensus seems to be that anything approaching weight parity the Wolf would likely be the victor in a one on one battle. How would this same scenario play out if we substitute the Cheetah for a Cougar? Lets say at weight parity. Or... maybe the question should be who is the more formidable opponent the Cheetah or the Cougar? I have more to add to this but I want to hear what your opinions are first. Cougar is another story. A single cougar would easily kill a wolf because compared to cheetahs, cougars are stronger and have sharper claws. Cougar is also agile. I agree for the most part. Here is a rare and I mean rare video that went viral some years back where a man witnessed a death match between a Wolf and a Cougar. Initially as the man told the story the Wolf had the upper hand but made the fatal mistake of releasing his grip and the Cougar immediately pounced on the Wolf and game over for the Wolf.
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Post by Montezuma on May 30, 2021 21:26:42 GMT -5
/\ This must be a lone wolf. In packs, cougars flee from wolves and when wolves have number advantage, there are also reports of cougars being killed.
I think that a grey wolf could kill cheetah and cats smaller than cheetahs in feline family. Cougars, leopards, jaguars, lions and tigers surpass wolves in head-on, one-to-one, fair fight.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jun 6, 2021 3:46:38 GMT -5
I think the most powerful big cat a grey wilf can defeat would be the clouded leopard.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 19:05:26 GMT -5
In my opinion the smaller populations of wolves would be easily defeated by the cheetah due to size difference but the larger populations (eurasian, northwestern) would win due to being larger, slightly more robust, having superior jaws and durability.
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Post by Montezuma on Jun 12, 2021 14:58:01 GMT -5
In my opinion the smaller populations of wolves would be easily defeated by the cheetah due to size difference but the larger populations (eurasian, northwestern) would win due to being larger, slightly more robust, having superior jaws and durability. Agree, smaller wolf subspecies would lose like arabian or indian wolf etc but the larger wolf subspecies like eurasian wolf and gray wolf would mostly win against cheetah.
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Post by brobear on Oct 1, 2021 0:52:46 GMT -5
Normally, a cat is a better grappler than a canine. But, in this case, I believe that the cheetah is outmatched in both grappling ability and by the larger more powerful jaws of the timber wolf.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Oct 1, 2021 7:48:36 GMT -5
I am not too sure about grappling but the wolf has a much stronger bite.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2021 10:47:34 GMT -5
Normally, a cat is a better grappler than a canine. But, in this case, I believe that the cheetah is outmatched in both grappling ability and by the larger more powerful jaws of the timber wolf. That is not true, a cheetah most certainly has better grappling ability than a grey wolf. It has more flexible limbs and has a lot of experience grappling prey. To add to my point even adult cheetahs can climb trees which requires some degree of grappling, grey wolves don't AFAIK.
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Post by brobear on Oct 6, 2021 11:03:27 GMT -5
Here are two examples of a cheetah climbing a tree. In both cases, it took sharp claws and a good balance. But not necessarily any grappling skills. The cheetah was not "hugging" the trunk of the tree and climbing as a man, an ape, or a bear might do.
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Post by brobear on Oct 6, 2021 11:09:23 GMT -5
Only one example of a wolf climbing a tree ( in same fashion as the cheetah ). Tree climbing is not an instinctive trait among dogs as it is among cats.
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Post by brobear on Oct 6, 2021 11:13:05 GMT -5
Cheetah says: "a cheetah most certainly has better grappling ability than a grey wolf." *Possibly. I believe a close look at the morphology of each would be needed to make such a claim. My thoughts are, a husky is a better grappler than a greyhound. *Edit and add: in weight, the taller cheetah and the gray wolf ( timber wolf ) are equals. In weapons, the wolf has the cheetah outgunned. The wolf has powerful bone-crushing jaws. The cheetah has a small skull with small jaws. I watched a nature documentary a few years back, where a lone wolf was caught on camera killing a full-grown bison.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 6:52:54 GMT -5
brobearYou are right about the tree climbing, but cheetahs were shown to have lower pc2 value than wolves which means they have more flexible limbs. A study by Valkenburg also concluded that cheetahs were better grapplers. Cheetahs also grapple a lot more intraspecific conflicts and while subduing prey. These are the reasons why they are better grapplers.
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