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Post by tom on Mar 4, 2021 9:16:56 GMT -5
And the winner is......
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Post by brobear on Mar 4, 2021 10:40:14 GMT -5
I agree with this assessment. I have often argued that - yes - intelligence does, in some cases, play a major role in a face-off confrontation.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Mar 5, 2021 18:58:10 GMT -5
This topic is one of the most popular oceanic match ups. The livyathan will win due to being more manuverable, able to ram with its head, and has teeth of its own.
It has to watch out for the teeth of the Megalodon.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2021 19:24:22 GMT -5
What if the livyatan bites the megalodons "snout"?
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Post by brobear on Mar 6, 2021 3:11:33 GMT -5
I'm no expert on marine life by any stretch of the imagination, but from what I have witnessed on documentaries and other resources, it seems that like-sized dolphins dominate like-sized sharks. Whether or not my observations are accurate or not, you decide.
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Post by tom on Mar 6, 2021 7:56:15 GMT -5
Green wrote:
Livyatan has foot long teeth compared to 7 inch Megaladon. Megaladon would take smaller bites as the video explains but the Livyatan could feasibly do more damage with it's bite.
I think brobear hit on something with this match up that can't be overlooked and that is intelligence. Marine mammals are vastly superior to fish in that department. Orcas, dolphins etc.. are highly intelligent creatures with social structures. The Shark just eats and makes little sharks. It's instincts are literally programmed in. They are efficient at what they do but they don't think or reason the way a mammal does.
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Post by tom on Mar 6, 2021 9:10:48 GMT -5
What if the livyatan bites the megalodons "snout"? Dead Megaladon...  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2021 17:03:08 GMT -5
I'm no expert on marine life by any stretch of the imagination, but from what I have witnessed on documentaries and other resources, it seems that like-sized dolphins dominate like-sized sharks. Whether or not my observations are accurate or not, you decide. I have heard they dominate those medium sized sharks mostly, but sharks do on occasions kill them by ambush, tho dolphins also dominate them in packs and not 1v1 so. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2021 17:03:51 GMT -5
Would modern day version of this be great white shark vs killer whale at parity?
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Mar 7, 2021 23:53:20 GMT -5
What if the livyatan bites the megalodons "snout"? I guess it will be death to the megalodon. What do you think? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 16:51:32 GMT -5
What if the livyatan bites the megalodons "snout"? I guess it will be death to the megalodon. What do you think? It would probably crush the sharks "sensor" and do bad bleeding effect. Not to mention hurt badly. In other words, the shark would die. |
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Post by brobear on Mar 9, 2021 1:56:14 GMT -5
Would modern day version of this be great white shark vs killer whale at parity? Like I mentioned, "... it seems that like-sized dolphins dominate like-sized sharks." At similar length, I believe the dolphin or porpoise dominates the shark. Also note, unlike the Orca, I don't see great white sharks attacking other sea creatures larger than themselves. Certainly not baleen whales. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 12:55:37 GMT -5
orca at same weight would be more bulky, more intellegent, more maneuverable, faster and dosen`t have a "snout" like great white shark which it can bite or exploit, since it kinda is on the way of great white shark.
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Post by tom on Mar 9, 2021 17:05:04 GMT -5
Would modern day version of this be great white shark vs killer whale at parity? I don't see great white sharks attacking other sea creatures larger than themselves. Certainly not baleen whales. This is true. Since Orca's are like wolves and hunt as a pack on large marine mammals. A pack of Orcas can and do kill whales. Individually or as a small pack they hunt Walrus, Sea Lions and even Elephant Seals which are very large. I don't know that a GWS has or has been know to kill Elephant Seals?? Orca's are the supreme predator in the ocean. Top of the food chain if you will. |
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Post by tom on Mar 9, 2021 17:09:24 GMT -5
orca at same weight would be more bulky, more intellegent, more maneuverable, faster and dosen`t have a "snout" like great white shark which it can bite or exploit, since it kinda is on the way of great white shark. There is a video out there somewhere on youtube of a female Orca killing a Great White almost slow killing it. It was quite possible she was teaching her calf how to kill a shark. ?? |
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Post by brobear on Mar 10, 2021 1:37:03 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 7:54:48 GMT -5
I don't see great white sharks attacking other sea creatures larger than themselves. Certainly not baleen whales. This is true. Since Orca's are like wolves and hunt as a pack on large marine mammals. A pack of Orcas can and do kill whales. Individually or as a small pack they hunt Walrus, Sea Lions and even Elephant Seals which are very large. I don't know that a GWS has or has been know to kill Elephant Seals?? Orca's are the supreme predator in the ocean. Top of the food chain if you will. They have killed northern elephant seal bulls (grrat white sharks) succesful attacks seem to be rare tho and mostly they just get injured. |
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Post by tom on Mar 10, 2021 12:25:50 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Jan 22, 2022 7:53:36 GMT -5
Livyatan - dinopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Livyatan Livyatan melvillei, sometimes known as the dire whale, is an extinct species of physeteroid whale, which lived during the Miocene epoch, approximately 12-13 million years ago. Livyatan melvillei was 13.5 to 17.5 metres (47–57 feet) long, about the same as a modern adult male sperm whale. The biggest ones could go to 20 meters (70 feet) {Extremely rare though.} The skull of Livyatan melvillei is 3 metres (10 feet) long. Unlike the modern sperm whale, Physeter macrocephalus, L. melvillei had functional teeth in both its jaws. The jaws of L. melvillei were robust and its temporal fossa was also considerably larger than in the modern-age sperm whale. L. melvillei is one of the largest predators yet known, with whale experts using the phrase "the biggest tetrapod bite ever found" to explain their find. The teeth of L. melvillei are up to 36 centimetres (1.18 ft, or 14.1 inches) long and are thought to be the largest of any animal yet known. Larger 'teeth' (tusks) are known, such as walrus and elephant tusks, but these are not used directly in eating. Fossil remains of many other animals—including baleen whales, beaked whales, dolphins, porpoises, sharks, sea turtles, seals and sea birds—have been found at the same site where the remains of L. melvillei have been excavated. |
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Post by brobear on Jan 22, 2022 7:55:23 GMT -5
Livyatan melvillei: The Horror Version of Moby-Dick www.darwinsdoor.co.uk/prehistoricplanet/livyatan-melvillei-the-horror-version-of-moby-dick.html Name: Livyatan melvillei Name Meaning: Named after the biblical sea monster, Leviathan, and Herman Melville, the author of Moby-Dick; or, The Whale Age: Miocene (12-13 million years ago) Diet: Carnivore Size: 17.5m in length approx. Location: Peru, South America The Pisco Formation of Southern Peru (Middle Miocene – Late Pliocene) represents a near-shore, shallow water environment from about 15 to 2 million years ago (mya). It contains a huge diversity of marine vertebrates, including bony fish, sharks, crocodiles, sea turtles, sea birds, seals and even marine sloths. But none of these were quite as awe-inspiring or terrifying as Livyatan melvillei, a sperm whale of biblical proportions. Livyatan was originally called Leviathan, but that name had already been used for a species of mastodon, so the Hebrew version was used instead. |
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