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Post by brobear on Jan 7, 2018 12:32:43 GMT -5
From the book - The Cave Bear Story by Bjorn Kurten, a big boar cave bear - Summer weight - would weigh from 900 to 1,000 pounds.
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Post by brobear on Jan 7, 2018 13:54:57 GMT -5
From the book - The Cave Bear Story by Bjorn Kurten: It is no surprise, then, to discover that the cave bear indeed had a much longer thigh, but a shorter shin and foot, than the brown or grizzly bear. Much the same holds for the front limb, in which the humerus ( upper arm bone ) is very long but the forearm and hand comparatively short. *This means that we cannot fairly compare the ulna of Ursus maritimus tyrannus with that of the cave bear.
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Post by Polar on Jan 7, 2018 14:29:06 GMT -5
That means the Cave Bear had much more robust arms in general in terms of humerus/radii and ulna ratio.
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Post by brobear on Jan 8, 2018 6:49:55 GMT -5
The cave bear is referred to by paleontologists as "The most bearish of bears". IMO - the cave bear is pound-for-pound more robust than a grizzly ( heavier boned ). But was Ursus maritimus tyrannus, the biggest of the Genus Ursus, as big as the biggest cave bear, Ursus speleaus ingressus? I believe this to be a very close contest.
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Post by brobear on Jan 10, 2018 6:30:39 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamssulzen_Cave_bear Ursus ingressus was a large Cave bear with massive, bulky limbs. It was larger than Ursus spelaeus, which has been estimated to weigh an average of 350 to 600 kg (770 to 1,320 lb) (male specimen).
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Post by brobear on Jan 11, 2018 17:17:09 GMT -5
To bring us back to the original question, which bear was the biggest short-faced bear - and - which was the biggest of the genus Ursus?
1 - Arctodus simus vs Arctotherium angustidens ... Biggest North American short-faced bear vs biggest South American short-faced bear. 2 - Ursus maritimus tyrannus vs Ursus speleaus ingressus ... Biggest grizzly/polar bear vs biggest cave bear.
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Post by brobear on Nov 4, 2018 16:28:46 GMT -5
Biggest Bears of the genus Ursus: in no particular order. 1 - Ursus spelaeus ingressus - cave bear. 2 - Ursus spelaeus spelaeus - cave bear. 3 - Ursus arctos priscus - Steppe brown bear. 4 - Ursus arctos californicus - California grizzly. 5 and 6 - after these bears come the modern polar bear and Kodiak bear. We know that the top-4 here reach a full ton - 2000 pounds - 907 kg. We know that in rare cases the modern polar bear has exceeded a ton in the wild. We also know that in captivity the Kodiak bear has exceeded a ton. These are our top 6 biggest of the biggest bears. it would take some long hours of comparing fossil bones to decide on the actual one true biggest.
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Post by brobear on Nov 23, 2018 5:43:24 GMT -5
The question has arisen as in what order do the runner-ups stand as the biggest living bears after the polar bear and the Kodiak bear? Those in question include: Alaskan peninsula brown bear - Amur Brown bear - Kamchatka Brown bear. Note: What we are seeking are actual records of bears weighed on scales.
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Post by brobear on Nov 23, 2018 5:59:12 GMT -5
shaggygod.proboards.com/thread/665/natgeowild-video-compilation * Coastal brown bears can stand 112 centimetres tall at the shoulder when on all fours and weigh 410 kilograms or more. * A Kodiak bear can stand more than 140 centimetres tall at the shoulder when on all fours and weigh more than 630 kilos. 410 kilograms is equal to 903.90 pounds (avoirdupois) 630 kilograms is equal to 1,388.91 pounds (avoirdupois) Thought I had something here, but obviously just the typical weights of the bears.
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Post by brobear on Nov 23, 2018 6:12:04 GMT -5
We know that the Kodiak bear comes in second only to the polar bear among living bears. The greatest weight recorded for a Kodiak bear in the wild is 1656 lb 751 kg for a male shot at English Bay. Kodiak Island in 1894 by J C Tolman. The stretched skin (pegged to the side of a cabin on a frame and then weighted with rocks at the bottom edge for maximum effect) measured 13 ft 6in 4-12m from the tip of the nose to the root of the tail, and the hindfoot was 18in 46cm long (Phillips-Wolley. 1894).
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Post by brobear on Nov 23, 2018 6:24:51 GMT -5
Quote from post on page #4 ( Grizzly - Size ): Anderson (1909) obtained a bear, June 1, 1909, on Unimak Island, that weighed 1,325 pounds — the skin weighed 135 pounds. Anderson gives the height at shoulder as 48 inches ; height at hip, 3 feet 10 inches; girth back of shoulders, 10 feet; and width between ears, 14 inches.
*Once again... girth back of shoulders, 10 feet. Note: *possibly the record actually weighed Alaskan peninsula grizzly.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 23, 2018 6:50:19 GMT -5
Brobear....are we counting the Alaskan peninsular brown bear as a separate subspecies of brown bear? Because oficially its a grizzly bear (ursus arctos horribilis).
i think the runner ups should be between kamchatka and Ussuri.
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Post by brobear on Nov 23, 2018 7:02:00 GMT -5
Brobear....are we counting the Alaskan peninsular brown bear as a separate subspecies of brown bear? Because oficially its a grizzly bear (ursus arctos horribilis). i think the runner ups should be between kamchatka and Ussuri. The peninsula grizzly - aka Alaskan brown bear - aka Ursus arctos gyas - his listing being continuously changing. He looks and acts much differently than the "grizzled" inland bears. Yes, we will include him. Note: very few of the most renowned bear experts completely agree on brown bear subspecies.
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Post by brobear on Nov 23, 2018 7:03:19 GMT -5
shaggygod.proboards.com/ Amur brown bear - Ussuri brown bear - Russian black grizzly. Due to poorly developed bear-hunting in the Far East in the postwar years, until recently, there are old and therefore very large bears. Unfortunately, we have, in addition to the collection of skulls do not have a qualified body measurements of the Bears-Giants, but give the information verified, validated receipts for receiving carcasses zagotpunktah promhozov. So, in November 1958 Brothers Fedorenko in the upper Great Ussurka extracted beast, weighing no viscera, feet and skin 470 kg. AP Pleshankov in November 1966 on the river saddle killed the bear, whose weight without viscera was 437 kg. Live weight of the two bears are unlikely to be less than 600 kg. At the extracted SS Solomonyukom River Avvakumovke male is very oily carcass without feet, viscera, skin and head weighed 506 kg. Live weight of this instance could not be less than seven quintals. Skull of the murdered male Solomonyukom available in our collection, and it is not in it is the largest (Table 1). We can assume that the more massive skull (Table 3) belonged to the bears, in the autumn vesivshim obesity in good years to 800 kg, and possibly more. To illustrate this give a comparison of the basic measurements of the largest brown bear skulls from different regions of the country (Table 2). About the size of the Ussuri and the bears can be seen from the measured paw prints (without claws). In November 1962 in the upper Muhena met very clear signs of recent (in cm): hind foot 22.5 x 36 cm, width of the front - 24. In 1966 the upper Bikin measured trace 22 x 35 and 24 cm respectively, in 1967, at p. Avvakumovke - 21 x 34 and 23, 1972, at p. Tyrma - 20 x 31 and 22, 1975 at p. Karanak - 23 x 36 and 25 cm using the table of the relation of body length and size of prints of paws, one can calculate that shows signs of bears, who had a body length of up to 270 -280 cm.
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Post by brobear on Nov 23, 2018 7:09:42 GMT -5
800 kg as a possible size of a big black grizzly. 800 kilograms is equal to 1,763.70 pounds (avoirdupois)
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 23, 2018 7:12:46 GMT -5
We already know the average weights of these bears, now we are just looking for the runner ups to see which ones get bigger. Actual weighted bears.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 23, 2018 7:20:25 GMT -5
1763 lbs, thats alot. lets see if the others can top that.
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Post by brobear on Nov 23, 2018 7:24:50 GMT -5
1763 lbs, that is probably the largest Ussuri ever. Very nice, lets see if the others can top that. This is, as I understand it, just an estimated weight. Not confirmed but possible. Heavier than the record Kodiak actually weighed. Problem is, so few of these big guys are actually weighed. Probably more than one big brownie has been killed by hunters topping a full ton. Note: weighing brown bears and weighing big cats is entirely two different things.
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Post by brobear on Nov 23, 2018 7:27:16 GMT -5
wildfact.com/forum/ ( topic Bear Size ). According to posts 159 and 160, the record Amur brown bear ( Ussuri brown bear ) scored 27.6 while the record American grizzly scored 27 13/16. Pretty much the same sized bear.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 23, 2018 7:35:21 GMT -5
For example: We know that polar bears average more than kodiak bears, but the largest specimens weighted were actually kodiaks.
So by this logic its possible that the largest Ussuris get larger than the largest Kamchatkas correct.
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