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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 4, 2021 18:23:36 GMT -5
tomYes i read those posts. Its known the populator was the largest ever. Sounds like the Ngandong tiger came in second and the American lion came in third.
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Post by tom on Jan 4, 2021 18:24:04 GMT -5
agreed but there seems to be enough evidence (although small) to state that Ngandong tiger may have averaged in the neighborhood of 290-300 kg. It's hard to say whether that number is based on male and female combined though. Fragmented remains can be difficult to piece together. Either as I stated, Populator from what we now know was likely the bigger of the two and the largest felid known to roam the earth.
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Post by tom on Jan 4, 2021 18:31:25 GMT -5
tom Yes i read those posts. Its known the populator was the largest ever. Sounds like the Ngandong tiger came in second and the American lion came in third. That seems to be the hypothesis anyway. If we had hundreds and hundres of complete fossilized remains to draw from it's quite possible the order could change, but... we have what we have. American Lion and Ngandong tiger were likely similar in body mass however as Undertaker eluded to.
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Post by brobear on Jan 5, 2021 3:30:16 GMT -5
Whether we are talking about the biggest Pantherine or the biggest of the saber-toothed cats, Agriotherium africanum along with the giant short-faced bears, Arctodus and Arctotherium, and the giant cave bears are too big and strong for any cat to overcome. The same can be said of the polar bear or the largest subspecies of brown bears.
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Post by kesagake on Jan 5, 2021 9:13:56 GMT -5
Whether we are talking about the biggest Pantherine or the biggest of the saber-toothed cats, Agriotherium africanum along with the giant short-faced bears, Arctodus and Arctotherium, and the giant cave bears are too big and strong for any cat to overcome. The same can be said of the polar bear or the largest subspecies of brown bears. I agree, prehistoric animals are very overrated.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2021 15:33:15 GMT -5
S.populator was actually 300kg.. on average..
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Post by brobear on Jan 5, 2021 15:48:31 GMT -5
S.populator was actually 300kg.. on average.. 300 kilograms is equal to 661.39 pounds. Yes, I agree with this. The average Smilodon populator was roughly at weight parity with a full-grown male Ussuri brown bear.
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Post by nocapakabl on Jan 6, 2021 4:55:44 GMT -5
S.populator was actually 300kg.. on average.. 300 kilograms is equal to 661.39 pounds. Yes, I agree with this. The average Smilodon populator was roughly at weight parity with a full-grown male Ussuri brown bear. well, depending on what weights you use for the ussuri brown bear (Highest average should be around 270kg) - the smilodon will be about 30 kg heavier
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Post by brobear on Jan 6, 2021 5:12:32 GMT -5
From our topic "Weight Collection" located in "Bears in General"... Average fully-grown male Ussuri brown bear ( 9 years+ ) - 631.4 pounds Average fully-grown female Ussuri brown bear (7 years+) - 361 pounds. *Most averages on bears include male bears ranging from 5 years old and upwards. But, a male brown bear isn't considered a full-grown adult until the age of at least 9 years old. Some experts insist on 10 years of age. But, even after this, he will continue to grow until roughly 15 years old. *270 kilograms is equal to 595.25 pounds - Average male Ussuri brown bears ranging from 5 years old and up.
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Post by brobear on Jan 6, 2021 5:44:07 GMT -5
Smilodon populator vs Ussuri brown bear ( weight-parity ) I will stick with my 50/50 in any big cat vs any bear at weight-parity.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2021 7:22:58 GMT -5
P.atrox was taller and longer than smilodon.
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Post by brobear on Jan 6, 2021 7:46:01 GMT -5
Quote: P.atrox was taller and longer than smilodon. *This would mean that atrox was taller at shoulder height, longer in head-and-body length, and taller at bipedal height. Therefore, atrox is the larger cat while populator was more robust; having greater girth and more muscle. ( a familiar concept ).
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 6, 2021 7:46:49 GMT -5
Yeah, Nocap already said that at reply #89.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 6, 2021 7:56:20 GMT -5
300 kilograms is equal to 661.39 pounds. Yes, I agree with this. The average Smilodon populator was roughly at weight parity with a full-grown male Ussuri brown bear. well, depending on what weights you use for the ussuri brown bear (Highest average should be around 270kg) - the smilodon will be about 30 kg heavier That's old data. The new data we have, the Ussuri brown bear, 9+ year old, the average is 631 lbs:
domainofthebears.proboards.com/post/42812/thread
domainofthebears.proboards.com/post/43919/thread
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Post by brobear on Jan 6, 2021 10:00:59 GMT -5
Each and every study done on the Ussuri brown bear, or any other brown bear subspecies, is going to give us a different number. To be precise, we would have to drug and weigh each and every individual male Ussuri brown bear in the R.F.E. 9 years old or older. But then, if we were to do the same thing five years later, that number would change. But we can say with a certainty that the average full-grown male Ussuri brown bear weighs somewhere between 600 and 700 pounds. ( 270kg to 318kg ). *The figure 631 lbs came from only 5 individual bears. In fact; we had the typical male Ussuri bear ranging from 650 to 700 pounds. I remember Big Bonns pointing out, when these studies are done, and there is then plenty of activity between bears and biologists, they are unlikely to capture the big old males, those who reached their age by not being stupid. A 1,000 pound 15+ year old boar is a prize trophy to a hunter.
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Post by brobear on Jan 6, 2021 11:04:44 GMT -5
When I add up all the males 10+ years old, I come up with 298 kg which equals to 657 pounds. Let's face it, no precise average can be set in stone. domainofthebears.proboards.com/thread/773/weight-collection?page=1 We can look at these numbers, each average taken from a handful of captured individuals. Using logic ( common sense ) an estimated average should be rounded off and never considered to be precise. Considering averages ( males ): Ussuri brown bear 650 pounds / Amur tiger 420 pounds / Bengal tiger 460 pounds / Lion 380 pounds / Yellowstone grizzly 470 pounds.
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Post by nocapakabl on Jan 13, 2021 14:35:57 GMT -5
American lion weight (Wheeler & Jefferson (2009)
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Post by kesagake on Jan 27, 2021 10:37:22 GMT -5
Exactly yeah, it was more of a fighter than a hunter which we know are two different things. If the animal he was displacing decided to fight (which in most cases it would not had been the case), then Africanum was ready to fight.
American lion weight (Wheeler & Jefferson (2009) Interesting.
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Post by brobear on Jan 27, 2021 10:45:55 GMT -5
If I'm reading this correctly: American lion - 263.89 = 581.78 pounds. American lioness - 192.80 = 425.05 pounds.
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Post by arctozilla on May 27, 2023 2:01:25 GMT -5
"Agriotherium africanum was the size of a very large polar bear. He was a hypercarnivore"
Agriotherium wasn't hyper-carnivorous, that was proven wrong. Tooth analysis proven that Agriotherium was omnivorous. Only bear that ever lived to be hyper-carnivorous was the polar bear.
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