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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 13, 2021 5:49:17 GMT -5
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 13, 2021 5:59:13 GMT -5
From one of your posts brobear: add one more account of Russians calling bears the "master"
"Some Russians in conversation call the bear "master"
There are two breeds of bears in forests of East Siberia: the "ant eater" bear ( muraveinik ), which is smaller and the "carrion eater" bear ( stervyatnik ), which is bigger. Strictly speaking, this division is not precise, because both kinds of bears are great lovers of ant nests, and neither will ever miss a chance to eat carrion, especially the meat of freshly-killed animals. The major difference between them is in their size. This is the only way that Siberian hunters distinguish them, and only a few of them use the words muraveinik and stervyatnik. What names bears are called in Transbaikalia! Some Russians in conversation call the bear "master" ( khozyain ), others call it taptygin, still others call it "in-toed Mishka" or "shaggy devil"; some, carried away with their stories, call it "the dark sickness". and all these nicknames became so well-known that they do not need any explanation. Siberians also call the bear "black beast" or just "beast." In the Tungus language the bear is called kara gurosu, which also means "black beast"; Siberians probably learned this term from the Tungus along with many other words. Orochons call a bear chepchekun, and some of them also call it cheldon. It is strange that Orochons named the bear cheldon, because in Siberia exiled and persecuted people are also called cheldon. Everyone is familiar with the gait of the bear, and therefore, a fat and clumsy man would be called toptygin or "in-toed Mishka." I should say that in Siberia bears may be very big. I once saw a bearskin from a recently killed bear at a station in Krasnoyarsk Province. It was 20 chetverts long from nose to tail. In Transbaikalia, bear skins 18 and 19 chetverts long are not rare. The skins of local bears are considerably better than the skins of bears killed in the European part of Russia. They have fuzzier, softer, longer hair. Bearskins with brown-red color, which I have seen in Russia, are not seen here. In the smaller breed, the bear's coat can be almost black, with silver hairs along the backbone; in the larger breed the bear's coat is always more of a brown color. Bears with white "shirtfront" also occur. Local promyshlenniks say that they are the worst and most dangerous. They say that such bears came from mixes of the knyazek with regular bears. wildfact.com/forum/topic-russian-brown-bears?pid=15452#pid15452
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 2, 2021 16:25:15 GMT -5
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Post by tom on Apr 2, 2021 17:34:33 GMT -5
I'll bet there some stories in that there that would preventing you from putting that book down.
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 2, 2021 17:36:16 GMT -5
I'll bet there some stories in that book that would preventing you from putting that book down. What do you mean down? Yeah, Troyer is most likely the best expert on Kodiak bears.
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Post by tom on Apr 2, 2021 17:41:09 GMT -5
Meaning if you started reading that book you wouldn't want to put it down till it was finished. comprende....
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 2, 2021 17:47:00 GMT -5
Meaning if you started reading that book you wouldn't want to put it down till it was finished. comprende.... For sure Tom.
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 22, 2021 12:50:15 GMT -5
My book just arrived, i will post any important info:
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on May 1, 2021 4:07:14 GMT -5
/\ Glad the book finally arrived. We might get some valuable information soon.
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Post by brobear on May 14, 2021 3:50:27 GMT -5
*Just reflecting back to my early years in animal face-off debates ( year 2000 or perhaps 1999 ). I came in thinking myself knowledgeable about animals. After all, in elementary school I had read every book in the library about dinosaurs and wild animals. I read most in Jr. High also. What I did not understand, those books put out very generalized information and much of that wrong. So, I walk in believing that the average lion weighs 500 pounds, the average tiger weighs 700 pounds, the average black bear weighs 500 pounds, the average grizzly weighs 1,000 pounds, and the average gorilla weighs 600 pounds. ( 1950s school books ) I came in thinking that there were only three kinds of brown bears; the grizzly, the Kodiak bear, and the European brown bear. But, I was right in my assumption, which I did and still do consider as pure basic common sense, that a bear is ( per size ) stronger than a cat. I was also correct that a bear, especially a brown bear, can defeat a lion or a tiger in a face-off. But my trouble was, I had no facts to back-up my words. Therefore, I began reading books - lots of books from Amazon. Without a really good understanding of the animals, a poster ends-up sounding very foolish. So.... READ BOOKs.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on May 14, 2021 7:35:54 GMT -5
brobear could you list the names of all the books you read about bears?
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Post by brobear on May 14, 2021 7:46:05 GMT -5
brobear could you list the names of all the books you read about bears? No; I do too much moving. I gave a bunch of them to Polar - "the lost child", and I have given many of them to various libraries.
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Post by brobear on May 14, 2021 8:16:42 GMT -5
*I can start a list here, and add to as I remember them:
1- California Grizzly - by Tracy Irwin Storer. 2- Bear - History of a Fallen King - by Michel Pastoureau. 3- Cowboys, Mountain Men, and Grizzly Bears - by Matthew P. Mayo. 4- The Beast That Walks Like Man - by Harold McCracken. 5- Grizzly Years: In Search of the American Wilderness - by Doug Peacock. 6- Notorious Grizzly Bear - by W.P. Hubbard, Seale Harris. 7- The Clan of the Cave Bear and The Valley of Horses - both by Jean M. Auel (fiction). 8- In The Shadow of the Sabertooth - by Doug Peacock. 9- The Grizzly King - by James Oliver Curwood (fiction story based on real events). 10- Bear-Ology by Sylvia Dolson. 11- Great Bear Almanac - by Gary Brown. 12- The Grizzly Almanac - by Robert H. Busch. 13- The Essential Grizzly - by Doug and Andrea Peacock. 14- The Grizzly Bear: The Narrative of a Hunter-naturalist - by William H. Wright. 15- Notes of an East Siberian Hunter - by A. A. Cherkassov. 16- Tigers in the Snow - by Peter Matthiessen. 17- Tracking Gobi Grizzlies by Douglas Chadwick. 18- The Bears of Brooks Falls - by Michael Fitz. 19- Bears: Stunning Photographs of All the World's Species - by Tom Jackson. 20- Grizzly: The Bears of Greater Yellowstone - by Thomas D. Mangelsen and Ted Turner. 21- Bears of the Last Frontier - by Chris Morgan. 22- Grizzlies and Grizzled Old Men - by Mike Lapinski. 23- Ice Age Cave Bear - by Barbara Hehner. 24- The Cave Bear Story - by Bjorn Kurten. 25- Ice Age Mammals of North America - by Ian M. Lange and Dorothy S. Norton. 26- The Grizzly Book - by Jack Samson. 27- The Works of Theodore Roosevelt. 28- Man Meets Grizzly - by Young and Beyers. 29- Bears of the World - by Lance Craighead. 30- Brown Bears - by Melissa Gish. 31- The Grizzly 'Our Greatest Wild Animal' - by Enos A. Mills. 32- Yellowstone Bears in the Wild - by James C. Halfpenny. 33- The northern interior grizzly bear Ursus arctos L. - by Arthur M. Pearson. 34- California's Day of the Grizzly - by Willaim B. Secrest. 35- Animal facts and feats - by Gerald L. Wood. 36- Bears - by Ben East. 37- The Bear Almanac - Second Edition - by Gary Brown. 38- Hunting the Grisly and Other Sketches (annotated) - by Theodore Roosevelt. 39- Lord Grizzly - by Frederick Manfred, Eric G. Dove. (story of Hugh Glass). 40- The Legend of Grizzly Adams: California’s Greatest Mountain Man - by Richard Dillon. 41- Hugh Glass - by Bruce Bradley. 42- The Way of the Grizzly - by Tom Walker. 43- American Serengeti: The Last Big Animals of the Great Plains - by Dan Flores. 44- The Grizzly - by Enos Mills. 45- American Bears - Selections of the Writings of Theodore Roosevelt. 46- The bears of Katmai - by Matthias Breiter. 47- TRUE GRIZZ - by Douglas H. Chadwick. 48- Polar Bear vs. Grizzly Bear - by Jerry Pallotta and Rob Bolster. 49- Grizzly Bears: A Falcon Field Guide - by Jack Ballard. 50- Ask the Grizzly/Brown Bear Guides - by J. Y. Jones. 51- Guinness Book of World Records 2015. 52- Records of North American Big Game - A Boone and Crockett Club Publication. 53- The Bear Almanac - Gary Brown. 54- The Bear Almanac, Second Edition - Gary Brown. 55- Bears of the World - Lance Craighead. 56- Land of the Bear - by Denny Geurink. 57- Realms of the Russian Bear - by John Sparks. 58- The Book of the Tiger - Reginald George. 59- Notorious Grizzly Bears - W.P. Hubbard. 60- Across the Ussuri Kray - Vladimir Klavdiyevich Arsenyev. 61- The Grizzly - Enos A. Mills. 62- Bear: Myth, Animal, Icon - Wolf D. Storl. 63- Fortress of the Grizzly - Dan Wakeman and Wendy Shymanski. 64- Bears of the World - Paul Ward and Suzanne Kynaston. 65- Wild Guide-Bears - Charles Fergus. 66- Bear in Mind: The California Grizzly - Susan Snyder. 67- California's Day of the Grizzly: The Exciting, Tragic Story of the Mighty California Grizzly Bear - William B Secrest. 68- A Historic Grizzly by Bob Nolin. 69- Bears: The Mighty Grizzlies of the West - Julie Argyle 70- A study on Himalayan Brown Bear in India - Rajkishore Mohanta and Prakash Mardaraj. 71- Arctos, the grizzly (California state series) - Rhoda Leonard. (fiction story loaded with facts). 72- The Life of Mammals - David Attenborough.
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Post by King Kodiak on May 18, 2021 16:17:26 GMT -5
Very nice collection brobear. This is my list up to now:
1- The bear, history of a fallen king. 2- Great bear almanac. 3- Grizzly years. 4- California grizzly. 5- Across the Ussuri Kray. 6- Notorious grizzly bears. 7- The grizzly bear. 8- Gorillas in the mist. 9- Cruelty and Civilization, The Roman games. 10-The grizzly in the Southwest. 11-Bear wrangler (Will Troyer)
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Post by brobear on May 18, 2021 16:42:12 GMT -5
Good deal; you can add to as you read more. I plan to read; "Tahoe Tales - of Historic Times & Unforgettable People." A.S.A.P.
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Post by Montezuma on May 18, 2021 17:00:08 GMT -5
Good deal; you can add to as you read more. I plan to read; "Tahoe Tales - of Historic Times & Unforgettable People." A.S.A.P. Correct me if wrong. But i think that its mainly about the Red Indians, bears are described breifly. Is that a bear book?
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Post by brobear on May 18, 2021 18:04:12 GMT -5
Good deal; you can add to as you read more. I plan to read; "Tahoe Tales - of Historic Times & Unforgettable People." A.S.A.P. Correct me if wrong. But i think that its mainly about the Red Indians, bears are described breifly. Is that a bear book? ( IMO ) the brief information is worth having.
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Post by brobear on May 19, 2021 4:51:43 GMT -5
Good find Montezuma. ( 1 ) California Grizzly by Tracy Irwin Storer ( 2 ) Bear - History of a Fallen King by Michel Pastoureau ( 3 ) Tahoe Tales - of Historic Times & Unforgettable People. Three historic books each of which tells of the lion being defeated by the brown bear. These three books are a "must own" collection for every true bear enthusiast. But, in every book I have read, and those mainly concentrated in historical grizzly books, in every book that touched on the subject of comparing the grizzly with a lion or a tiger, every individual claimed that, in his opinion, the big cat would stand very little chance against "Old Ephraim." Note that, few of these American pioneers had ever seen a lion or a tiger in the wild. But, zoos and circuses were quite popular during the 19th century. I will add, Teddy Roosevelt was very familiar with lions. I'm still in search of a book that delves into the relationship between Russian bears and tigers. After over 20 years, I have thus far come up empty. Edit and add: when you purchase a book, don't simply add it to your collection - read it from cover-to-cover.
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Post by King Kodiak on May 19, 2021 10:05:48 GMT -5
Yeah of course bro, that's what i do.
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Post by King Kodiak on May 19, 2021 10:20:13 GMT -5
For my next book, i want to get “The Taiga” by Russian hunter and naturalist Vsevolod Sysoev. But am having trouble finding it.
I would love to read this book, "The Taiga" by Vsevolod Sysoev, it should talk some about the interactions, but this book is basically impossible to find. We already use a quote from this book where Sysoev states that the Ussuri brown bear is stronger and more enduring than tigers.
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