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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 14:43:41 GMT -5
Both are roughly the same size and both have great weapons. Which one you guys think wins?
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Post by brobear on Oct 9, 2020 15:03:24 GMT -5
This one is not a simple matter. While very little has been written about bear/reptile relations, I have gathered that generally bears pretty-much avoid reptiles. I read that in a study on American black bear diet, no reptile material was found in the bear droppings. However, I have also read that brown bears have a wider range of food choices than black bears.
I know that a brown bear will spend long hours in a day overturning rocks and logs in search of edible insects. Surely, they often discover snakes and lizards. But not one single naturalist has ever printed a single word on this topic ( gives me Wolf-Man tendencies ). What reaction does a grizzly have when he uncovers a rattlesnake?
So... because of the negligence of naturalists reporting on this topic, we are left in the dark. However, a sloth bear would have no reason to seek out the giant monitor lizard ( if Komodo dragons were introduced into India ). But, the shaggy little bear might look like a tempting meal for the dragon.
If the bear stands his ground, I believe that the dragon would kill the bear more often than not.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 15:43:54 GMT -5
I believe dragon dosen`t really need its venom to kill sloth bear. Its sharp teeth would probably be enough.
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Post by brobear on Oct 9, 2020 16:21:43 GMT -5
I believe dragon dosen`t really need its venom to kill sloth bear. Its sharp teeth would probably be enough. True; the venom will kill any sloth bear that manages to break free from his grip. I have no idea what a Komodo's bite force might be like. Probably pretty awesome. I wonder what reaction the dragon might receive from a leopard or a tiger? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 17:08:56 GMT -5
Komodo dragons were tested having bite force of 600 pounds.
Komodo dragons don`t meet leopards or other cats. Komodo dragons are quite bold and they even kill water buffalos with no problems so I could see komodo dragon not fearing leopards, but tigers would probably kill komodos occasionaly.
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Post by brobear on Oct 9, 2020 17:27:46 GMT -5
Komodo dragons enjoy the water; both fresh and salty I believe. Crocodiles could pose a problem to the big monitor lizards.
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Post by theundertaker45 on Oct 9, 2020 17:33:36 GMT -5
I'm actually heavily favouring the sloth bear as it has a decent size advantage and could control the giant lizard fairly easily/quickly imo. If the two have to meet parity in their most natural form, we'll have to pit a female sloth bear against a male dragon. Then I'd also give the edge to the bear due to its superior grappling skills but it would almost certainly die after the fight. Komodo dragons have very fragile heads and sloth bears tend to go for the skull of their opponent which could be a tactical advantage.
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Post by brobear on Oct 9, 2020 17:37:48 GMT -5
I didn't research. I was thinking the Komodo dragon about the size of an alligator. I wonder if the bear might smell or sense the poison?
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Post by theundertaker45 on Oct 9, 2020 17:41:46 GMT -5
I've only seen one table on the weights of adult Komodo dragons so far and the largest of the sample weighed ~60 or ~70kg; don't remember it precisely but I'll try to look it up.
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Post by brobear on Oct 9, 2020 17:45:38 GMT -5
I've only seen one table on the weights of adult Komodo dragons so far and the largest of the sample weighed ~60 or ~70kg; don't remember it precisely but I'll try to look it up. I just did; about 70 kg ( 150 pounds ) is average I think. So yes, a male sloth bear has a hefty weight advantage. I would suppose that, even should the bear not recognize the poison danger, he would nevertheless avoid those jaws. |
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Oct 9, 2020 23:04:15 GMT -5
The only thing a sloth bear needs to watch out for is the jaws.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2020 3:23:45 GMT -5
Komodo dragons scales are really tough and they protect them from other komodo bites. I think sloth bear would struggle to kill the dragon. Komodos are also very explosive.
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Post by brobear on Oct 10, 2020 3:41:05 GMT -5
www.thefactsite.com/komodo-dragon-facts/ All we can do is speculate. Sometimes that which we can imagine while considering all the facts and what actually happens are totally different. A sloth bear has some awesome claws that can tear into hard termite mounds. But, just how effective they would be against the tough hide of the dragon, we can only guess. I also consider that a sloth bear seldom plays the roll of predator. He is strongly defensive, but has little experience at killing. But he does have intelligence and the "tools of the trade". All in all this would be an interesting confrontation.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Oct 10, 2020 6:54:59 GMT -5
More info about the komodo dragon.
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Post by theundertaker45 on Oct 10, 2020 7:48:33 GMT -5
From "The Behavioral Ecology of the Komodo Monitor" by Walter Auffenberg:
"Because length is often exaggerated, stated weight is also frequently incorrect. [...] During this field study weights of 50 captured specimens were obtained by suspending the animals from a beam balance. [...] The heaviest field weights obtained were 54kg; however, other specimens of the same length (snout-vent length of ~134cm) may weigh as little as 35kg."
It's safe to say that an average Komodo dragon would be ~one third the weight of an adult male sloth bear and ~half as big as a female sloth bear as the heaviest specimen of a fairly large sample size (n=50) only weighed ~54kg.
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Post by brobear on Oct 10, 2020 9:40:28 GMT -5
A large Komodo dragon: 54kg ( 119.05 pounds ) not much of a challenge for a prime male sloth bear.
Normal average male sloth bear: 310 pounds.
Normal average female sloth bear: 200 pounds.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Oct 11, 2020 5:39:03 GMT -5
Unlike mammals, reptiles can grow all the way till the end of their lifespan. Captive Komodo dragons can grow up to 350 pounds and captive monitor lizards can grow much larger than their wild counterparts.
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Post by kesagake on Apr 22, 2021 7:18:00 GMT -5
Unlike mammals, reptiles can grow all the way till the end of their lifespan. Captive Komodo dragons can grow up to 350 pounds and captive monitor lizards can grow much larger than their wild counterparts. Do you know that mammals and reptiles both share an ancestor? |
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Apr 22, 2021 11:27:06 GMT -5
Unlike mammals, reptiles can grow all the way till the end of their lifespan. Captive Komodo dragons can grow up to 350 pounds and captive monitor lizards can grow much larger than their wild counterparts. Do you know that mammals and reptiles both share an ancestor?
The first mammals evolved on Earth during the early Jurassic period approximately 200 to 175 million years ago. These early mammals evolved from a common ancestor they shared with reptiles (Fig. 5.22A). Early mammals, like their reptile ancestors, were tetrapods and amniotes (Fig. 6.4). Tetrapods are vertebrate animals with four limbs as well as their evolutionary descendants. Snakes and whales lack four limbs but are still considered tetrapods because they evolved from animals with four limbs. Amniotes are tetrapods with that produce an amnion or watertight membrane surrounding the embryo developing inside an egg. Mammals and reptiles (including birds) are the only two extant groups of amniotes. manoa.hawaii.edu/exploringourfluidearth/biological/mammals/evidence-common-ancestry-and-diversity#:~:text=The%20first%20mammals%20evolved%20on,were%20tetrapods%20and%20amniotes%20(Fig. |
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