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Post by brobear on Oct 13, 2018 10:53:56 GMT -5
www.activewild.com/sloth-bear/ Even a full-grown tiger may be forced to retreat from an angry sloth bear if its initial surprise attack is unsuccessful.
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Post by brobear on Oct 26, 2018 3:10:31 GMT -5
Sloth bears are comparatively stalked and killed by tigers rather often. A tiger is an ambush predator and has no desire to go face-to-face with a sloth bear. This bear can be highly aggressive when needed and uses his long claws to attack the face of his adversary. I have never heard of a sloth bear ever killing a tiger. I believe that if the tiger was determined enough and these two fought to the death, the tiger would be the victor in the end. But, the risk of serious injury is too high a price for the prize.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 26, 2018 3:24:56 GMT -5
Well maybe there are no accounts of sloth bears killing bengal tigers because when the sloth bears turn around and WANT TO FIGHT, like this video clearly shows, the tiger runs away like a chicken, lmao. How about our brand new video ladies and gentleman?? I will post it here also, this video deserves to be in 2 different threads.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 26, 2018 3:32:14 GMT -5
THIS NEW VIDEO HERE CONFIRMS 4 THINGS.
#1....TIGERS ARE OFFICIALLY CLASSIFIED AS “AMBUSH PREDATORS” AND IN THIS VIDEO YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE WHY.
#2....AS YOU CAN SEE THAT IS HOW TIGERS ATTACK BEARS AND ALL ANIMALS IN THE WILD, BASICALLY ALWAYS, AND THAT WAS JUST A SLOTH BEAR WHICH GO 430 LBS MAX WEIGHT.
#3.... AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHY ALL THE “WILD” ACCOUNTS OF TIGERS KILLING BEARS ARE IRRELEVANT AS TO A FACE TO FACE FIGHT, BASICALLY ALL ARE LIKE THIS METHOD HERE, AMBUSH, FROM THE BACK. AN “AMBUSH HUNT” WILL ABSOLUTELY NEVER BE CONSIDERED A FACE TO FACE FIGHT. THAT IS WHY CAPTIVE FIGHTS ARE THE BEST WAY TO SEE A FACE TO FACE BATTLE.
#4....ITS EXACTLY LIKE WE HAVE BEEN SAYING FOR A LONG TIME NOW, WHEN THE OTHER ANIMAL IS AWARE OF THE TIGERS PRESENCE, THE TIGER PREFERS TO RUN AWAY, VIDEO IS 100% CRYSTAL CLEAR.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 26, 2018 3:41:41 GMT -5
This video that just came out is a nightmare for tiger fans, it basically confirms ALL what i have been saying this past few years. By the way, the last 2 wild videos that came out, The Maktasur video and this one, the sloth bears won.
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Post by brobear on Oct 26, 2018 3:44:03 GMT -5
#1 - All big cats ( except cheetah ) are ambush predators. #2 - 300 pound sloth bear vs 400 pound tiger. #3 - A tiger will fight a sloth bear face-to-face only in a confined space where he feels cornered. #4 - A sloth bear is highly aggressive in his defensive attack. He always goes for his adversary's face with long sharp claws. The prize ( bear carcass ) is not worth the risk of serious injury. This is not cowardice, it is using good judgement.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 26, 2018 3:53:55 GMT -5
#1 - All big cats ( except cheetah ) are ambush predators. #2 - 300 pound sloth bear vs 400 pound tiger. #3 - A tiger will fight a sloth bear face-to-face only in a confined space where he feels cornered. #4 - A sloth bear is highly aggressive in his defensive attack. He always goes for his adversary's face with long sharp claws. The prize ( bear carcass ) is not worth the risk of serious injury. This is not cowardice, it is using good judgement. #1...correct, (especially tigers) #2...are those the actual weights of those 2 animals in the video? #3...correct. Look at the tiger walking behind the bear in tippi toes, all silent, does not surprise me, wow, i was right. #4...i did not use the word “cowardice” you did.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 26, 2018 3:58:56 GMT -5
Ok anyway you look at it, anyhow, since the tiger ran away, its another victory for the bear and this video goes much deeper than just that actual “encounter” if we will call it that, shows the tigers clear method of attack, that was a sloth bear, i would imagine that it wont be any different in the Russian far east with Ussuri brown bears over 500 lbs.
arent you happy with this new video Brobear?
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Post by brobear on Oct 26, 2018 4:10:36 GMT -5
Ok anyway you look at it, anyhow, since the tiger ran away, its another victory for the bear and this video goes much deeper than just that actual “encounter” if we will call it that, shows the tigers clear method of attack, that was a sloth bear, i would imagine that it wont be any different in the Russian far east with Ussuri brown bears over 500 lbs. arent you happy with this new video Brobear? About size, the Bengal tiger averages just over 400 pounds while sloth bears generally a little over 300 pounds. So, the tiger has roughly a 100-pound weight advantage. No, you did not call the tiger a coward, you just said he "ran like a chicken" which is same. Yes, I love the video. And you are right ( IMO ) that would a tiger be willing to face a Russian grizzly from 500 to 800 pounds if he is unwilling to face a 300-pound sloth bear?
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 26, 2018 4:20:07 GMT -5
Well yeah those are the average weights, but sloth bears get up to 430 lbs max, thats what i was saying. Judging by the video, what would you say are the max weights of those 2 particular animals?
Tiger ran away when the bear turned around and wanted to fight, i dont want to name call but....mmmmmm, lol.
the main point here is that EVEN IF the tiger would have killed that poor sloth bear, it would had been by ambush, a hunt, not a head on battle...as we can CLEARLY see. Yeah forget about 500 lb + bears, tigers wont try it.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 26, 2018 4:37:40 GMT -5
Say thanks to Jeffrey at Wildfact for this video, thats how i found out, but this is what he said “Small skirmish One of T-8 cubs stalking a sloth bear at zone 6 ranthambor”
does that really look like a cub to you? Looks much larger than a cub to me, they look same size to me. Also, this goes much deeper than just a “small skirmish”. Lol. They should analyze it there same way we do here.
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Post by brobear on Oct 26, 2018 4:45:36 GMT -5
I don't know tigers on a personal level. The question would be, how old are T-8s cubs? Definitely sub-adult if not full-grown adult. In any case, a full-grown tiger generally has the same reactions to a sloth bear.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 26, 2018 4:54:21 GMT -5
Definatly not a cub. At least subadult as you just said.
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Post by brobear on Oct 30, 2018 4:32:47 GMT -5
Again I will say that the fact that this blog-site does not number posts makes my blood boil! But, if you scroll back you might locate a video of a tiger stalking a sloth bear. That tiger is a two-year-old young adult. Unlike bears which age more slowly, a tiger is an adult at right about two years old; yet very inexperienced. Never-the-less, my question is this: If a tiger has a difficult time when going nose-to-nose with a sloth bear or a black bear ( and they do ), then why would anyone think that a tiger might ever choose a grizzly weighing from 600 pounds to 1000 pounds as potential prey. Please explain....
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 30, 2018 4:51:47 GMT -5
I think tigers are adults a little older than that Brobear, between 4 and 5 years old. a 2 year old is a subadult.
because they are fanboys, but that video is just more proof that a tiger cant defeat a bear in a face to face fight, in fact they dont even try with a sloth bear, much less an Ussuri brown bear.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 5, 2018 5:52:41 GMT -5
Another thing.....most times, when the ambush fails, this is what happens. clear as day.
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Post by brobear on Nov 5, 2018 6:10:07 GMT -5
How many videos have we watched of tigers and sloth bears, yet nothing ever caught on film between Amur tiger and bear. Exasperating!
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 5, 2018 6:19:24 GMT -5
How many videos have we watched of tigers and sloth bears, yet nothing ever caught on film between Amur tiger and bear. Exasperating! i know right, there are probably at least 10 videos of sloth bears vs bengal tigers, yet not one video in the Russian far east. By the looks of it, we will never see one.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 24, 2018 11:34:21 GMT -5
Thats just it right there, tigers BARELY fight to get meals, i would say 90% its by ambush, a “hunt” not a fight. Even vs smaller sloth bears.
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Post by brobear on Dec 20, 2018 9:11:27 GMT -5
The first time I saw it, I thought the tiger was a subadult or a young male. So I thought that was nice from the bear. But then when Pckts said it was Matkasur I was very, very surprised that such a small bear could not only bear that attack, but also turn back the tide and chase away a dominant male that has been undefeated for the past 1 1/2 to 2 years in his kingdom. It kind of makes you think about it. If a smaller, and clearly overpowered, Sloth bear can take this beating and win, at least to save his life, then what would a hairy and angry 600 kg Grizzly bear do to said tiger?... 600 kilograms is equal to 1,322.77 pounds (avoirdupois) Let's step back from the Kodiak-sized bears and simply consider any mature male grizzly from 500 pounds ( 227 kg ) and up. No contest. But, enough of that - back to big cats and sloth bears.
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