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Post by brobear on Apr 9, 2018 17:38:50 GMT -5
The fight in the video above lasted for 15 minutes. The sloth she-bear, about half the size of the tiger held her own against the big cat until the tiger was too exhausted to continue fighting. Good thing for the tiger he wasn't facing a full-grown grizzly she-bear.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 17:57:28 GMT -5
I gives you A LOT to think about, particularly when viewing this as a Grizzly enthusiast.
If this sow was able to run off a larger tiger that was very much in control of the interaction, that had a distinctive advantage in every way we can think of, then I'm pretty sure cat fans do not want to see what a Grizzly would do to a tiger(or lion).
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Post by Polar on Apr 11, 2018 16:04:32 GMT -5
Good that the tiger didn't decide to kill it; that would have been quick. Most animals don't want a brutal fight, so intimidation matters...a mother's intimidation is backed up by a real source of care, her cubs.
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Post by brobear on Apr 14, 2018 6:47:50 GMT -5
Good that the tiger didn't decide to kill it; that would have been quick. Most animals don't want a brutal fight, so intimidation matters...a mother's intimidation is backed up by a real source of care, her cubs. There is intimidation involved when sloth bear meets tiger; but the danger the tiger faces in those long sharp claws of the sloth bear are very real. Having his or her face sliced open by five blade-like claws and the possibility of being partly or even completely blinded is something to be intimidated about. It's also been proven that a tiger does not relish a face-to-face confrontation. Thus it has been learned that a man can wear a mask facing on the back of his head will prevent tiger attacks.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2018 18:05:36 GMT -5
Credits to Nishant Lakhotia. Bear and T-19 cubs confrontation..
It was in the middle of the day (anrd noon) when it all unfolded. T-19 was gone for 2 days and cubs were staying around this waterhole. For the whole morning they were disturbed by passing vehicals and were scared to come to waterhole for a drink. Soon the day visit gypsies were gone and a handfull of full and half day were left. After giving them some space and peace they decided to come down for a drink but till then a bear was already there to soak himself in the cool water. But the thirst and may be hunger took over this young guy (12 months only) and he decided to confront the bear while other 2 stayed back..it all ended in less than a minute and soon all 3 cubs had the waterhole to themselves..
Hats off to the cub who had the courage to intimidate a fully grown bear..
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Post by brobear on Sept 3, 2018 16:14:42 GMT -5
Sloth bear vs much-bigger Bengal tiger. The tiger normally outweighs the bear by better than 100 pounds. Yet, the tiger prefers to ambush the bear from behind and will most often retreat from a face-to-face encounter. Make no mistake; I firmly believe that in a fight to the death, the tiger would kill the smaller bear. However, the sloth bear has grizzly-sized very sharp claws and always attacks the face of his opponent. A tiger would no more wish for knife-cuts to his face that a person would. He could possibly end up with a missing eye. The tiger is wise not to fight the bear. A bear is no joke.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 4, 2018 5:15:16 GMT -5
You are absolutely right Brobear. That video is just a nightmare for tiger fans, although there are 4 or 5 videos of bengal tigers killing sloth bears easily, this fight was was face to face, thats the difference here. Dominant adult make tiger Matkasur could not kill a little skinny female sloth bear, and after 15 minutes, submitted and ran away. That just confirms what Clyde Beatty said about tigers wearing out quickly in fights against bears and lions, that is what happened there. although the sloth was more hurt, he won the fight because the tiger finally ran away.
Here is another great example of what happens when a sloth bear is aware of the bears presence, the tiger runs away.
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Post by brobear on Sept 4, 2018 5:30:21 GMT -5
Yes, although I have found no account of a sloth bear ever killing a tiger, the bear is quite capable of fending off the big cat. Consider that the people of Asia have discovered that wearing a mask on the back of your head prevents tiger attacks. The tiger, big and powerful though he remains, is an ambush predator.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 4, 2018 5:52:13 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Sept 4, 2018 12:08:02 GMT -5
Ah yes, the world's smallest and lightest-built bear fights a tiger at least triple his own weight and they kill each other. If compared to other bears at equal body length, the sun bear is the lightest-built bear with the sloth bear running a close second. Yet both of these small bears can hold their own against a big cat. The sun bear has a few advantages to make up for his lack of muscular bulk. The longest canine teeth of any bear comparable to body size. The longest deeply curved claws of any bear comparable to body size ( sloth bear a close second ). Loose skin; like a shar-pei dog. Arguably, and I get a lot of argument here; pound-for-pound ( imo ) the grizzly is the most bad-ass bear. He is a mugger, a brawler, and a mauler. Picture the Pleistocene grizzly living in a land of prides of saber-toothed cats, prides of giant lions, packs of giant wolves, and many other big predators. The grizzly is a loner. He was like that big Hoss-of-a-man walking on city streets where violent gangs run amok. Yet he walks about fearlessly - confident.
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Post by Polar on Sept 4, 2018 19:54:36 GMT -5
Tiger was most likely sick or both were, who knows? There is something strange about that book account, but at the same time, strength and dexterity aren't the only advantages that a bear has...
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 4, 2018 20:23:33 GMT -5
Tiger was most likely sick or both were, who knows? There is something strange about that book account, but at the same time, strength and dexterity aren't the only advantages that a bear has... Well it does not say anywhere the tiger was sick. Also, you have to consider that sun bears max weight is 180 lbs, so its a great account anyways.
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Post by brobear on Sept 5, 2018 5:30:19 GMT -5
They were found dead and clinging to each other. The sun bear has very long deeply-curved claws. IMO - the bear was clinging on for dear life as he was gnawing on the tiger's throat. This is pure speculation of course. But sun bears are fighters and ( surprisingly ) rarely hunted by tigers. Perhaps rarely hunted because they spend most of the time high up in the tree-tops.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 9, 2018 16:43:35 GMT -5
Ok i understand Bro. But you dont have to be a biologist, or a zoologist, or an expert to understand that a 500 lb animal cannot kill a 9000 lb animal. Any rational 15 year old kid that does not watch the tiger chronicles would understand this. I just dont see how its physically possible. Dont see it, much more seeing how a dominant male tiger Maktasur could not kill a little 150 lb female sloth bear that looked like a toothpick.
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Post by Polar on Sept 9, 2018 16:59:17 GMT -5
Maktasur could easily turn that 150-pound (and it's female) sloth bear into a ball of fur if he intended to, but he chose to run. But one at his weight, even a female one (as bears are generally tough regardless of gender), can give him a even fight.
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Post by brobear on Sept 9, 2018 17:13:47 GMT -5
Maktasur could easily turn that 150-pound (and it's female) sloth bear into a ball of fur if he intended to, but he chose to run. But one at his weight, even a female one (as bears are generally tough regardless of gender), can give him a even fight. Maktasur could kill a sloth bear going head-to-head in a fight. No sloth bear has ever been reported killing a tiger. But, the tiger would walk away with ugly wounds and loss of blood. A sloth bear always goes for the face of his opponent. The tiger risks a sliced nose or even the loss of an eye. There are simply easier meals to be had. We must remember that wild predators are not driven by ego nor the peer pressure of being called a coward; simply seeking a meal.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 9, 2018 17:27:07 GMT -5
If you guys think about it, yes, there are no accounts of sloth bears killing bengal tigers, but most times the tigers kill the sloth bears are by ambush, not face to face. And that Maktasur video is a great example. Same thing that happens in Siberia, its by ambush or the tiger usually loses. Its very simple and 100% clear. And that is why there are basically zero accounts of tigers killing bears in captive fights (face to face) but about 20 of the other way around, including 3 full grown tigers at once. www.tapatalk.com/groups/wildanimalwarfare/bear-kills-tigers-t68.html
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Post by brobear on Oct 11, 2018 12:01:10 GMT -5
roaring.earth/tiger-vs-bear/ Tigers are ferocious predators whose sheer size often allows them to dominate their enemies. But an intense battle between this Bengal tiger and sloth bear ended in a surprising victory for the bear, proving that fearless defiance can get you far in the animal world. The bear and her cub had approached a watering hole in India’s Tadoba National Park when they caught the attention of a highly territorial male tiger who was standing guard. When the tiger began pursuing the cub, the mother immediately stepped in and challenged the big cat. As one of the largest cat species, with males capable of reaching nearly 700 pounds in body weight, tigers can usually overpower these smaller bears. In fact, they’ve been known to hunt sloth bears occasionally in ambush-style attacks. But sloth bears can also hold their own against large predators like the tiger, and even rhinos and elephants, when necessary. When threatened, the bear becomes highly aggressive and will actually charge at their attackers. While they mostly feed on termites and rarely prey on other mammals, their sharp claws, large canine teeth and assertive attitude make them formidable opponents for any predator who choose to engage them head-on — even a fully-grown tiger. In the dramatic video, both animals exchange swipes, with the cat sinking its teeth into the back of the bear’s neck several times. After a lengthy battle, the tiger appears to have gotten the upper hand, but, out of nowhere, the bear seems to summon new strength and frees itself from the tiger’s clutches. Utilizing a typical bear strategy, the badly injured sloth bear stands on its hind legs to make itself larger and show dominance, before finally chasing the tiger back into the water. Filmed by Mritunjay Tiwary / Caters News. India on February 28th 2018
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 11, 2018 17:57:55 GMT -5
Awesome video. That is what we were talking about in the other thread, that was in india, we would love to see a fight like that in the Russian far east.
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Post by brobear on Oct 13, 2018 10:16:40 GMT -5
The National Geographic Magazine, Volume 94, Number 1 - July 1948 - Page 429
"Ceylon, Island of the Lion People", by Helen Trybulowski Gilles
Tiger Versus Sloth Bear
"Then a small Indian sloth bear was released in the arena. The man-eater had tasted blood and rushed at once to the attack. But to my amazement, the little bear rose on his hind legs, growled ferociously, and slapped out with his small paws. The tiger pulled up in surprise. Four times the tiger returned to the attack; four times the little bear engaged in his desperate bluff, and he won. The tiger, after its last attempt, turned tail, climbed high into a plane tree, and refused to descend. The little bear was unharmed."
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