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Post by King Kodiak on Jun 5, 2021 13:36:43 GMT -5
Nothing against the tigers, but tiger fanboys grasp at every meaningless event. Three against one, with each of the three being bigger than the one. And yet, there they are cheering. A Kodiak bear (Ursus arctos middendorffi), would break those 3 tigresses in half.
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Post by brobear on Jun 5, 2021 13:45:04 GMT -5
Nothing against the tigers, but tiger fanboys grasp at every meaningless event. Three against one, with each of the three being bigger than the one. And yet, there they are cheering. A Kodiak bear (Ursus arctos middendorffi), would break those 3 tigresses in half.The three tigresses will only chase a bear smaller than each of them.
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Post by Montezuma on Jun 5, 2021 17:41:21 GMT -5
Oon internet, there are numerous big cat fanboys especiaally on youtube where i first started to come to debates. They will write the title thaat a tiger has killed a brown bear but when you see so its a cub generally. I have left debating on youtune for the very beginning on forums.
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Post by Montezuma on Jun 5, 2021 22:32:54 GMT -5
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Post by King Kodiak on Jun 5, 2021 22:44:56 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Jun 14, 2021 7:14:25 GMT -5
When the confrontation is pushed to an all-out fight to the death, the tiger will kill the sloth bear. But, according to what we have discovered, it appears that more often than not, the tiger decides to walk away. Why? The sloth bear has a habit that I have not heard said or read about of any other bear species. The sloth bear, whether standing in defense-mode against a tiger or attacking a person or persons who surprised him unexpectedly, always attacks the face of his opponent with those long sharp claws. Imagine the damage those claws can do to the face of a tiger if the bear is successful. There are easier meals to be found.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jun 14, 2021 7:22:10 GMT -5
The sloth bear is honestly no easy prey but I doubt it would beat a Bengal tiger in a fight to death. It could still beat a Sumatran tiger.
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Post by brobear on Jun 15, 2021 11:22:42 GMT -5
'The Tiger in India - A Natural History' by Indian Naturalist and Curator/Director of Bombay Natural History Society, J.C. Daniel.
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Post by brobear on Jun 15, 2021 11:35:10 GMT -5
Reply #408 - Yet another prime example of a tiger fan's desperate attempt at placing the tiger above the bear. The tiger leaped up high ( as few animals of his size are capable of ) and grabbed a sloth bear; thus pulling him down to the ground. Once on the ground, the tiger and the sloth bear fought until the tiger finally manages to kill the bear - roughly half the weight of the tiger. Tigers hunt and kill sloth bears. This is not news. Nearly always either by ambush or ( if the bear spots the tiger, panics, and runs ) then the bear is killed in a chase and catch attack. However, no matter how the sloth bear is killed by the tiger, we are looking at a huge tiger against one of the smallest bear species. Average mature Bengal tiger - 463 pounds. Average mature Bengal tigress - 304.2 pounds. Indian sloth bear - sow: 165 pounds Indian sloth bear - boar: 242 pounds.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2021 15:14:35 GMT -5
tiger too big in 1v1 fight for sloth bear, but bear can still chase off tiger.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jun 22, 2021 17:13:23 GMT -5
tiger too big in 1v1 fight for sloth bear, but bear can still chase off tiger. I agree with you. Only the male brown bear (most subspecies), exceptionally large male American black bears, and the polar bear can beat a tiger.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jul 10, 2021 6:51:38 GMT -5
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Post by tom on Jul 10, 2021 16:00:48 GMT -5
That Tiger has no stomach for a fight today. The Sloth Bear showed a lot of courage as the Tiger it appeared really hadn't done much up to that point other than being in close proximity.
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Post by brobear on Oct 1, 2021 14:13:50 GMT -5
i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab270/Grrraaahhh/Bears/764gd236_zpsfbd32448.jpg shaggygod.proboards.com/ Sloth bears ? "...A strange example of a tiger's departing from the usual food of the Felidae, is that of a large male near Poonjoor some years ago, that is said to have killed and eaten several bears. The account of his doings in the Poons joor jungles was given me by old Bommay Gouda, whom I have already mentioned as having lived all his life amongst tigers, bears, and elephants . and as an authority whose interesting accounts of the habits and peculiarities of the occupants of the jungles could be relied on. It appears that this tiger killed several bears at different times whilst feeding, coming from behind and seizing them by the nape of the neck, and bearing them down (no pun intended), after a struggle, by his weight and strength. Towards corroborating this account some Sholagas at the other end of the hills, twenty miles away, and who knew nothing of what Bommay Gouda had told me, gave me a similar account ; adding that a bear had been thus killed and partially eaten in a clearing where they were watching their crops early one morning. This was doubtless the same tiger. My Morlay trackers also told me that some years ago they surrounded a bear and her three-parts grown cub with nets in a date-grove close to which my bungalow now stands at Morlay. The bears broke through the nets, the big she being severely speared in doing so, and both got clear away to a ravine a mile distant. Next morning they were found together, dead, and the large bear partially eaten by a tiger whose marks were all around. Whether she had died of her wounds or had been killed by the tiger the men had not taken sufficient notice at the time to be able to tell me, but the cub had been killed. This was also probably the work of the same tiger. The carcass of a bear which I once shot at Yerlsariga, and which was dragged to some distance from the tents after being skinned, was partially eaten by a leopard that night, which shows that the Felidae do not always confine themselves to cattle and game..." "...Then he unwound the turban from his head, and having tied it round the beast's neck, haled him to his den, gravely lecturing as he led. Moti went like a lamb. Some years after, it is sad to say, the Jemadar was killed by a bear who had not the tiger's respect for official authority. Which things are an allegory of Empire as well as a true tale..."
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Oct 23, 2021 22:13:08 GMT -5
Reply 430. The sloth bear initially tried to escape but when he failed, he put up a good fight despite being eventually killed.
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Post by brobear on Oct 24, 2021 2:15:54 GMT -5
Reply 430. The sloth bear initially tried to escape but when he failed, he put up a good fight despite being eventually killed. The sloth bear is, without a doubt, a fighter. But I will never deny that, with a better-than 200-pound weight advantage on average ( male vs male ) a tiger can kill the smaller bear. However, the sloth bear chosen as potential prey by the tiger is nearly always a she-bear. In this case, the tiger has, on average, a weight advantage of roughly 300-pounds. Therefore; even when the tiger continues the fight and kills the sloth bear, male or female, this tiger's victory does not place a feather into the hats of the radical immature tiger fanboys.
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Post by brobear on Nov 30, 2021 10:07:19 GMT -5
Short but Sweet video: ( credit find to Pablo )
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Post by tom on Nov 30, 2021 13:22:05 GMT -5
Hard to tell whether that was a young Tiger or not. Wouldn't be the first time a Tiger didn't want to tangle with a Sloth Bear.
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Post by kesagake on Nov 30, 2021 13:27:09 GMT -5
Hard to tell whether that was a young Tiger or not. Wouldn't be the first time a Tiger didn't want to tangle with a Sloth Bear. Tiger size is sometimes exaggerated. But I do agree.
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Post by brobear on Dec 4, 2021 4:48:59 GMT -5
Replies #122 and #123 show where a large 12-year-old male tiger was probably killed in a fight with a sloth bear. Strong evidence but unconfirmed. Reply #233: Quote, "From Warsaw: While I agree that prime adult male tiger is to much for any sloth bears,but the tigress is much smaller . So the verdict is "Bengal Tiger defeats Sloth Bear, Sloth Bear defeats ( kill after long battle) Bengal Tigress,more often that not............." Reply #234 and my own Reply #235: Quote, "Fantastic find OldGreenOne. Here again we have a sloth bear able to fight-off a prime male Bengal tiger. This time probably a male sloth bear; but defending himself after being ambushed." *Note: I know that we have just one and only one confirmed account of a tiger killing a sloth bear in a fair fight. However, I am unable to locate this info. When a sloth bear stands his or her ground against a tiger and, in the end, the tiger relinquishes his or her desire for a sloth bear dinner and walks away, most posters and even biologists consider the face-off as a draw. I disagree... Who wins a fight ( IMO ) depends on the agenda of each fighter. The tiger's initial plan is to ambush and kill the bear. His goal is to feast on the bear. But, when the tiger is spotted by the bear and the ambush is spoiled, then the tiger has a choice of fight or cancel his plans for a sloth bear dinner. Sometimes, the tiger decides to fight for his dinner. The sloth bears agenda, once the tiger has been discovered, is to survive the encounter with a bigger stronger predator. He has only two choices, flee or stand his ground. Sometime, within the past one or two million years, sloth bears have learned that their chances of survival are better when confronting the tiger. A sloth bear cannot outrun nor climb a tree fast enough not to be caught. So, even though his nerves are shaken ( IMO ), he stands his ground. If the tiger eventually gives up his desire for a bear dinner and walks away ( IMO ) this is a victory for the bear. 1- the tiger's mission is to kill and eat the bear. Mission failure. 2- the bear's mission is to survive a tiger attack. Mission accomplished.
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