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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 21, 2019 7:25:43 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 7:27:52 GMT -5
Once in a while rare outcomes do happen, the mother cougar did physically engage the grizzly but I doubt she caused any damage but it was a brave move on the mountain lion's part.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 21, 2019 7:37:23 GMT -5
That video of the mother puma is the same situation as the female sloth bear vs the dominant male bengal tiger video. Both mothers were very protective of their cubs, very ferocious. Both animals retreated. The huge grizzly just pushed the puma with his head and the puma flew. Then the grizzly retreated.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 21, 2019 9:49:34 GMT -5
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Post by BruteStrength on Mar 21, 2019 19:54:54 GMT -5
Usually bears steal the cougar Crap from time to time.
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Post by brobear on Mar 21, 2019 22:27:04 GMT -5
Usually bears teal the cougar Crap from time to time. Very rare, practically never does a bear kill a cougar. A cougar might stand his ground over a carcass and use the slap-and-dodge tactic. Rapid paw-swipes while keeping out of reach. This is basically a bluff maneuver. If the bear boldly moves in, the cougar retreats. To kill a cougar, the bear would have to catch it. Cougars are fast and a bear has no reason to pursue.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2019 3:57:19 GMT -5
Cougars are just too fast for bears to catch. However, even a black bear will not hesitate to rob the feline if food is available.
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Post by BruteStrength on Mar 23, 2019 20:55:54 GMT -5
Cougars are just too fast for bears to catch. However, even a black bear will not hesitate to rob the feline if food is available. Who do you favor in a fight between the 2 at equal weight?
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Post by brobear on Mar 24, 2019 1:35:29 GMT -5
Cougars are just too fast for bears to catch. However, even a black bear will not hesitate to rob the feline if food is available. Who do you favor in a fight between the 2 at equal weight? A 200 pound cougar is a big cougar. A 200 pound black bear is either a she-bear or a sub-adult male. A 200 pound grizzly is a cub. With both being full-grown males at equal head-and-body length, I'd bet the farm on either black bear or grizzly.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 24, 2019 8:00:51 GMT -5
Who do you favor in a fight between the 2 at equal weight? A 200 pound cougar is a big cougar. A 200 pound black bear is either a she-bear or a sub-adult male. A 200 pound grizzly is a cub. With both being full-grown males at equal head-and-body length, I'd bet the farm on either black bear or grizzly. I agree brobear. At same weight, face to face fight, a subadult black bear still beats a full grown puma most times.
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Post by BruteStrength on Mar 24, 2019 10:55:28 GMT -5
When it comes to weight parity I say 50 50. Im not exactly too sure on the outcome. I like my bears to have a weight advantage.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 0:17:52 GMT -5
When it comes to weight parity I say 50 50. Im not exactly too sure on the outcome. I like my bears to have a weight advantage. No big cat has forearms as strong as a bear so I will a black bear vs a big cat at parity will be 6/10 and a brown bear vs big cat at parity will be 7/10 but again thats my honest opinion.
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Post by brobear on Mar 25, 2019 4:49:18 GMT -5
Cougar vs Grizzly is a total joke. I hope you guys realize this. Only a total cat fanatic would even consider this as being debatable. Cougar vs grizzly is like barnyard sheep vs Great Indian rhinoceros. No contest. No cougar in his right mind would ever ambush a full-grown black bear, much less a grizzly.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 25, 2019 4:51:43 GMT -5
When it comes to weight parity I say 50 50. Im not exactly too sure on the outcome. I like my bears to have a weight advantage. No big cat has forearms as strong as a bear so I will a black bear vs a big cat at parity will be 6/10 and a brown bear vs big cat at parity will be 7/10 but again thats my honest opinion. I agree with Bjorn here. Another factor to consider is fighting ability, a cougar cant fight for crap face to face. Stamina also is a factor. Subadult black bear wins 6/10 times even at weight parity.
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Post by brobear on Mar 25, 2019 5:13:22 GMT -5
Sub-adults just don't belong in a face-off discussion. Children. I believe that a cougar can fight as well as any other big cat. He is submissive to the jaguar who is heavier and has a thicker stronger build. Unlike most posters, I would bet on the cougar in a cougar vs leopard fight. Cougars were notorious horse killers. They preyed on mustangs and domestic stock. They have a fondness for horse-flesh. I would bet that the true American horses of the Pleistocene were hunted by cougars. It is very rare for a leopard to kill a full-grown zebra, which is smaller than a horse.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 25, 2019 5:28:31 GMT -5
Sub-adults just don't belong in a face-off discussion. Children. I believe that a cougar can fight as well as any other big cat. He is submissive to the jaguar who is heavier and has a thicker stronger build. Unlike most posters, I would bet on the cougar in a cougar vs leopard fight. Cougars were notorious horse killers. They preyed on mustangs and domestic stock. They have a fondness for horse-flesh. I would bet that the true American horses of the Pleistocene were hunted by cougars. It is very rare for a leopard to kill a full-grown zebra, which is smaller than a horse. Ok i agree 50% with this message here. I definatly agree on cougar vs leopard. My bet is on the cougar also. As for the subadults in a face off discussion, it is possible for any age animals to be discussed, it does not have to be always adults. No cubs of course. Bears range in weight and size so much that even a subadult bear would defeat a mature male cougar most times.
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Post by brobear on Mar 25, 2019 6:01:23 GMT -5
Problem with sub-adult animals, they are more playful than aggressive. If a 150 pound cougar ( a normal sized adult ) kills a 200 pound sub-adult grizzly, should that put a feather in the cat fan-boy's hat?
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 25, 2019 6:11:53 GMT -5
Problem with sub-adult animals, they are more playful than aggressive. If a 150 pound cougar ( a normal sized adult ) kills a 200 pound sub-adult grizzly, should that put a feather in the cat fan-boy's hat? If the 150 lb cougar killed the 200 lb subadult grizzly in a strictly face to face fight, yeah, although it would have to be explained to them that the bear was young.
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Post by brobear on Mar 25, 2019 7:26:59 GMT -5
Problem with sub-adult animals, they are more playful than aggressive. If a 150 pound cougar ( a normal sized adult ) kills a 200 pound sub-adult grizzly, should that put a feather in the cat fan-boy's hat? If the 150 lb cougar killed the 200 lb subadult grizzly in a strictly face to face fight, yeah, although it would have to be explained to them that the bear was young.it would mean Nothing. And if a 100 pound sun bear kills a 200 pound sub-adult male tiger, it would mean Nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 7:49:39 GMT -5
Adult female black bears can weigh around 200 pounds on average and even than their average weight is too much for a cougar. By the way, I support cougar over leopard as well.
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