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Post by brobear on Mar 16, 2019 5:56:25 GMT -5
I feel the need to add to this. As a school boy in Jr. High ( called middle school these days ) I read a great deal of mythology. At first Greek and Roman. But then I discovered Norse mythology and liked this even more. Even then, I found it exceedingly strange that bears were missing almost entirely from these tales. It just didn't make a lick of sense! The Vikings lived in bear country. Odin had his two ravens and his two wolves; but no bears. I never understood this until I read "BEAR - A History of a Fallen King".
The Church actually waged war - a declared war - upon the bear. This war lasted for nearly a thousand years! Besides the mass slaughter, the Church also destroyed the image of the bear, by training captive bears to perform tricks for the people's amusement. ( circus bears ). It's hard to worship and admire a clown. The Church could be devious. I once read another book about the dark side of the Christian religion ( I cannot remember the exact title ). This book tells, among other subjects, of how the ancient Church burned books, including what was known as "The World Library".
It stands to reason that the Church was doing a thorough job of erasing all good things written about the bear. This also agrees with something else I once read; that the Norse mythology is incomplete. Consider also how odd that the bear is almost missing from Aesop's Fables. In how many of those stories was the bear replaced with another animal?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 3:06:19 GMT -5
Thanks for confirming that you are just a fanboy who has no idea what he is saying.
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Post by brobear on Mar 17, 2019 4:31:48 GMT -5
Thanks for confirming that you are just a fanboy who has no idea what he is saying. Because you know nothing of the history of the bear in Europe and are too lazy to read the book before creating an opinion, you would call me a fan-boy. There are plenty of cat fan-boy sites out there where you can play korol. In fact, other than The Domain, every single animal blog site out there in the Cyber Universe is a big cat fan-site. Enjoy your fantasy world. *Note: for every action there is a reaction.  |
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 17, 2019 6:01:48 GMT -5
Thanks for confirming that you are just a fanboy who has no idea what he is saying.
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Post by brobear on Mar 17, 2019 6:05:59 GMT -5
Now, to return this topic back onto the right path, a few facts: 1 - In reality, there is no such animal as that which all other beasts look upon as their king. We are all aware of this. 2 - The "King of Beasts" today is the lion. Why? Because the lion is the beast accepted by the majority. Majority rules. 3 - Was the bear the original "King of Beasts"? Yes, in all of Europe ( according to historical discoveries ) from the early Ice-Age through to between the years 1000 AD and 1200 AD ( according to location in Europe ). Also, the bear was "King of Beasts" in other locations such as Siberia and North America. 4 - What exactly is a "King of Beasts"? He is simply the animal that is the most feared, loved, respected, admired, or even worshiped... by the majority. In ancient times, the "King of Beasts" would be the most common animal depicted upon shields, banners, flags, armor, etc.  |
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 17, 2019 6:16:29 GMT -5
In ancient times, the "King of Beasts" would be the most common animal depicted upon shields, banners, flags, armor, etc. Definatly, coat of arms. Let me add to that, the bear cults. The bear had the majority of cults, that is what the church did not like. But that is exacly the key here, (majority), before the year 1200 AD, the majority of the people in Europe, thought the bear was the “king of the beasts”
But dont worry Korol, that was 800 years ago, no more now, now the majority think big cats are. We are just talking about the “original” king of the beasts, which was URSIDAE.
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Post by brobear on Mar 17, 2019 6:21:37 GMT -5
www.historyextra.com/period/early-medieval/king-arthur-real-who-why-solve-mystery/ The author David Carroll believes he has found proof that the legendary King Arthur was actually the son of a sixth-century Scottish king - and he is offering £50,000 to anyone who can prove him wrong. Pointing to a 1,300-year-old Swiss manuscript, Carroll claims he has "irrefutable proof" that King Arthur was in fact a man named Arturius, the son of a sixth-century Scottish king called Aiden. www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofEngland/Richard-Lionheart/ All English school children learn about this great king who reigned from 1189-1199. He earned the title ‘Coeur-de-Lion’ or ‘Lion Heart’ as he was a brave soldier, a great crusader, and won many battles against Saladin, the leader of the Saracens who were occupying Jerusalem at that time. *Note: King Arthur ( the Bear King ) lived before the Church crowned the lion as the "King of Beasts". King Richard Lion Heart was among the earliest rulers whose banner was the lion.
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Post by BruteStrength on Mar 17, 2019 10:16:39 GMT -5
Thanks for confirming that you are just a fanboy who has no idea what he is saying. Listen you need to do some research. A bear is the king of all beasts. Plan and simple. There's a reason why bears were worshiped in cults for so long. |
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Post by BruteStrength on Mar 17, 2019 10:20:18 GMT -5
Now, to return this topic back onto the right path, a few facts: 1 - In reality, there is no such animal as that which all other beasts look upon as their king. We are all aware of this. 2 - The "King of Beasts" today is the lion. Why? Because the lion is the beast accepted by the majority. Majority rules. 3 - Was the bear the original "King of Beasts"? Yes, in all of Europe ( according to historical discoveries ) from the early Ice-Age through to between the years 1000 AD and 1200 AD ( according to location in Europe ). Also, the bear was "King of Beasts" in other locations such as Siberia and North America. 4 - What exactly is a "King of Beasts"? He is simply the animal that is the most feared, loved, respected, admired, or even worshiped... by the majority. In ancient times, the "King of Beasts" would be the most common animal depicted upon shields, banners, flags, armor, etc. Exactly Brobear. This is what he fail to realize. Show me where people had lion or tiger cults. |
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Post by brobear on Mar 21, 2019 4:30:03 GMT -5
Fact: The Bear was the original "King of Beasts" for thousands of years before being replaced by the lion.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 21, 2019 4:43:09 GMT -5
Fact: The Bear was the original "King of Beasts" for thousands of years before being replaced by the lion. |
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Post by brobear on Mar 23, 2019 8:37:33 GMT -5
King Kodiak and myself ( and a few other posters ) have stated numerous times on the topic, "Bears Surviving in Africa" that within the realm of lions, These majestic big cats would be dominant even over the biggest male grizzly. Between the year 1000 AD and by the end of 1200 AD, the lion was excepted throughout all of Europe as the King of Beasts. Hand-picked by the Church ( which was a powerful force in ancient Europe ) they could not have made a finer choice. The lion has a regal appearance, with his thick mane ( like a crown ), his loud roar, and the fact that he is served by a harem of females. Long live the lion - our new King of Beasts. ( for roughly 900 years now! )  |
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 23, 2019 8:52:30 GMT -5
King Kodiak and myself ( and a few other posters ) have stated numerous times on the topic, "Bears Surviving in Africa" that within the realm of lions, These majestic big cats would be dominant even over the biggest male grizzly. Between the year 1000 AD and by the end of 1200 AD, the lion was excepted throughout all of Europe as the King of Beasts. Hand-picked by the Church ( which was a powerful force in ancient Europe ) they could not have made a finer choice. The lion has a regal appearance, with his thick mane ( like a crown ), his loud roar, and the fact that he is served by a harem of females. Long live the lion - our new King of Beasts. ( for roughly 900 years now! )
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 23, 2019 8:58:29 GMT -5
Now, having said that, when we have a debate with lion fans, we have to explain why the lion was proclaimed “king of the beasts”. If we go into detail, we have to show them why. It has all been explained already. There will always be an asterisk (*) sign next to the “lion, king of the beasts” *
*hand picked by the church. Lost every single one on one fight to bears in the Roman blood games.
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Post by BruteStrength on Mar 23, 2019 21:26:36 GMT -5
I think the lion is a disgrace for king of the beasts. It should be the bear in my opinion.
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Post by brobear on Mar 24, 2019 1:52:10 GMT -5
I think the lion is a disgrace for king of the beasts. It should be the bear in my opinion. No grizzly would wish to blunder into this.  |
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 24, 2019 3:46:48 GMT -5
No grizzly would wish to blunder into this.
Very true. Or any other animal for that matter.
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Post by brobear on Mar 24, 2019 12:08:07 GMT -5
So, exactly how did the Church manage to convince people that the mighty European grizzly was not the "King of Beasts"?
They began raising and taming bears. Dress them like clowns and have them perform tricks. Astonishingly, many of these tricks took superior intelligence and balance to perform. But, the people only saw that this bear was not the mighty beast of notorious strength and ferocity. The performing bears lasted up into modern times as circus bears. Once the populace witnessed the devious belittling of the great bear, it was then a simple task to introduce a new king... The Lion. It was an evil plan executed by the ancient Church.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 24, 2019 14:17:38 GMT -5
The bear came back as a very popular toy, although this was not enough to make another “king of the beasts” change.
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Post by brobear on Mar 25, 2019 4:55:33 GMT -5
The bear came back as a very popular toy, although this was not enough to make another “king of the beasts” change.
True. The great bear took a hard fall. He went from "The King of Beasts" down to Teddy Bears and Winnie the Pooh. Still today, the eagle and the wolf get more respect in America than the bears. See topic: Bear Popularity. |
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