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Post by brobear on Jun 11, 2022 6:15:08 GMT -5
Histories most famous ( or infamous ) tiger was M20/T-20/Dale/Dima/Misha ( take your pick of names ) who became a celebrity on wild animal face-off forums. To start with ( late 1990s and early 2000s ) the story was passed around and very popular among the tiger fans that Dale had killed a huge male brown bear double his own weight. However, it wasn't long before this tale was discredited. The truth is, Dale, a large male tiger, also known as the "bear killer", was confirmed to have killed numerous adolescent bears and two adult female brown bears. The largest of those two she-bears was estimated, by those who actually viewed the bear's remains, at somewhere between 330 and 440 pounds. Well naturally, the tiger fans picked-up the 440-pound ball and ran with it. For years the story ran rampant that Dale had killed a she-bear nearly his own weight ( Dale had been weighed-in at 445 pounds ). The truth - the biggest adult bear killed by Dale weighed between 330 and 440 pounds. Average-out those two numbers and we get 385 pounds. Therefore, the biggest bear confirmed killed by a tiger probably weighed roughly 385 pounds. So, Dale probably had roughly a 60-pound weight advantage over this she-bear that he had ambushed and struggled with for roughly 20-minutes before killing her. *Note: Fact to remember; the weights of the two female brown bears killed by Dale remain unknown.  |
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Post by brobear on Jun 11, 2022 7:15:09 GMT -5
Reminder; neither the tiger/bear incident reported by W.J. Jankowski nor the Batalov Ochkarik/Chlamida incident were ever confirmed. No biological report on either case was ever filed due to a complete lack of evidence.
Also, the May, 1951 incident on the bank of Tatibe River, where a tigress killed a male adolescent brown bear, note that nether the tigress nor the bear were ever weighed.
No male brown bear above the age of 5 months (an adolescent) has ever been confirmed killed by a tiger.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Sept 27, 2022 6:40:43 GMT -5
/\ Do you have all these accounts?
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Post by brobear on Sept 27, 2022 6:47:57 GMT -5
/\ Do you have all these accounts? Yes; go to "Amur Tiger vs Ussuri Brown Bear - Old Accounts" and start at the opening post on page #1. Those accounts are within the first several pages.  |
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Post by brobear on Oct 1, 2022 5:13:26 GMT -5
Reminder; neither the tiger/bear incident reported by W.J. Jankowski nor the Batalov Ochkarik/Chlamida incident were ever confirmed. No biological report on either case was ever filed due to a complete lack of evidence. Also, the May, 1951 incident on the bank of Tatibe River, where a tigress killed a male adolescent brown bear, note that nether the tigress nor the bear were ever weighed. No male brown bear above the age of 5 months ( an adolescent ) has ever been confirmed killed by a tiger. We know that tigers prey upon bears. We know that these bears, killed by the Amur tiger, have always been moon bears, adolescent brown bears, or adult female brown bears. We know that these bears are always taken from ambush. We know that normally, the bear is at least 100-pounds less in weight than the tiger. We have no evidence which contradicts anything stated here. Amur tigers are incredibly difficult to catch on camera, other than mounted motion-cameras (camera traps). Kill sites are usually found long after the actual killing. The size of the bear killed can be estimated from the scanty remains left behind by the tiger. There have been only a few confirmed killings where the adult female brown bear remains appeared to possibly be approaching a weight the male tiger that killed her. To date, no tiger has been known to have killed a bear as heavy or heavier than himself. |
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Post by brobear on Dec 1, 2022 7:37:57 GMT -5
1- W.J. Jankowski report (1943) remains unconfirmed by biologists.
2- Batalov event (2017) remains unconfirmed by biologists.
3- Khabarovsk Territory event (2022) remains unconfirmed by biologists.
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Post by brobear on Dec 5, 2022 5:39:09 GMT -5
Although no weights given; it has been stated by biologist Linda Kerley that "tigers prey on black bears of all shapes and sizes."
We now know that moon bears are within the same size range as sloth bears, just as Amur tigers are within the same size range as Bengal tigers. When Amur tigers are hunting moon bears, they are hunting bears smaller than themselves. Also note; the bears are taken from ambush.
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Post by brobear on Dec 19, 2022 9:17:16 GMT -5
1- W.J. Jankowski report (1943) remains unconfirmed by biologists. 2- Batalov event (2017) remains unconfirmed by biologists. 3- Khabarovsk Territory event (2022) remains unconfirmed by biologists. You might notice that not all radical fanboys are juvenile, whether it be in age or mentality. Some of those fanboys who pass these unconfirmed stories off as proven fact are highly educated, quite knowledgeable, but too biased to be completely honest even with themselves. They refuse even to look at the evidence rationally with an open mind to the fact that these stories might not add-up to the versions they tell. |
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Post by brobear on Jan 13, 2023 7:42:14 GMT -5
1- W.J. Jankowski report (1943)
W.J. Jankowski was a trophy hunter. He reported that he had shot and killed a huge tiger; the biggest tiger he had ever seen. He estimated the tiger at 700 pounds or 317.51 kilograms. Well, the heaviest wild tiger ever recorded weighed just under 600 pounds or 272.16 kilograms. Therefore, this hunter either grossly overestimated the size of the tiger or simply told a blatant lie.
He went on to report that this huge tiger had killed a big male brown bear. Although I have also read that he never stated the species of the bear (?). Nevertheless, he said that only the head and a paw was left of the bear carcass. How then, could he possibly know that this bear was killed by the tiger? Also, how can we even know that there was a bear? There is no mystery as to why his story was not confirmed.
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Post by brobear on Jan 13, 2023 7:58:54 GMT -5
2- Batalov event (2017)
The full-grown male brown bear called Chlamid was a satellite bear who had been trailing and robbing a tigress of her kills. When he suddenly quit and moved on out of the area, it was automatically assumed by some that the big male tiger of this area, Ocharik, had killed and eaten the bear. First of all, a satellite bear does not continue following a tigress for any great length of time. Usually no longer than maybe a four or five weeks. Also, it was stated that hunters with rifles had just moved into the area. Therefore, the bear's leaving the area is no great mystery.
But, the fanboys see this as an open-and-shut case of a tiger killing a full-grown male brown bear. Even though there was no bear carcass found and no kill-site discovered. No one single shred of evidence. It was said that Ocharik had scant bear remains in his scat, but if he had been feeding on the carcass of a 600-pounds or better brown bear, then his droppings would have been more like 90% bear. There is no mystery as to why this story was not confirmed.
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Post by brobear on Jan 13, 2023 8:16:51 GMT -5
3- Khabarovsk Territory event (2022)
It was reported in a local newspaper after non-professionals inspected the grounds near the carcass of a small brown bear that they had discovered, that the tiger Odyr had fought and killed a huge male brown bear. After the tiger fanboys had celebrated for a good solid month what they saw as a "great tiger fanboy victory", their party was crashed.
According to M.P. Milezhik, Head of Protection Department, quote: "Hello, the bear's name was Misha, and he was about 3 years old. The tiger wasn't hurt in the battle."
So, as it turns out, the big male tiger called Odyr had ambushed and killed his usual brown bear prey choice, an adolescent three-year-old bear. Also, according to those on site as well as the tiger fanboys insisting, Odyr had an extremely hard time killing this little bear.
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Post by brobear on Jan 13, 2023 8:27:41 GMT -5
From this topic's opening post: Dale had been weighed-in at 445 pounds.
The truth - the biggest adult bear killed by Dale weighed between 330 and 440 pounds. Average-out those two numbers and we get 385 pounds. Therefore, the biggest bear confirmed killed by a tiger probably weighed roughly 385 pounds. So, Dale probably had roughly a 60-pound weight advantage over this she-bear that he had ambushed and struggled with for roughly 20-minutes before killing her.
*Conclusion; Considering that not one of the stories reported concerning a tiger killing a full-grown male brown bear could stand in the light of truth and that the biggest bear reported to be killed by a tiger that did actually happen was probably under 400-pounds, we are left with the truth about tigers and bears.
Truth:
1- A tiger will never choose a bear as heavy or heavier than himself as potential prey. To kill a bear, the tiger needs to have a significant weight advantage.
2- A full-grown male tiger will not defend his kill against a full-grown male brown bear. He might attempt to bluff the bear but will not make physical bodily contact.
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Although it would be nearly impossible to observe a tigers' kill site when a bear approaches, such encounters are well documented between cougar and black bear, cougar and grizzly, and between leopard and sloth bear. The true nature of each predator can be observed and analyzed. The cat will sometimes attempt to bluff the bear by snarling ferociously and perhaps some slap and dodge paw-swipes, but will not make physical bodily contact with the bear. More often, the cat simply relinquishes the carcass to the bear and walks away without a fuss.
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Post by yz on Apr 24, 2023 12:42:23 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Apr 24, 2023 14:16:23 GMT -5
From "Tiger vs Brown Bear - 21st century" Reply #329 posted Apr 10, 2023
Quote, " It seems like every time a dead bear is found in the woods, the tiger fans start screaming, "Mighty Tiger Destroys Huge Male Brown Bear!" -Please; wait for the confirmation."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2023 14:30:35 GMT -5
From "Tiger vs Brown Bear - 21st century" Reply #329 posted Apr 10, 2023 Quote, " It seems like every time a dead bear is found in the woods, the tiger fans start screaming, "Mighty Tiger Destroys Huge Male Brown Bear!" -Please; wait for the confirmation." There were tiger paw tracks beside the bear. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2023 14:31:51 GMT -5
From "Tiger vs Brown Bear - 21st century" Reply #329 posted Apr 10, 2023 Quote, " It seems like every time a dead bear is found in the woods, the tiger fans start screaming, "Mighty Tiger Destroys Huge Male Brown Bear!" -Please; wait for the confirmation." There were tiger paw tracks beside the bear. Also lol there's some guy on another animal forum called "wildanimalwarfare" that believes a cougar would beat a grizzly bear. Jesus what idiots. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2023 14:37:15 GMT -5
There were tiger paw tracks beside the bear. Also lol there's some guy on another animal forum called "wildanimalwarfare" that believes a cougar would beat a grizzly bear. Jesus what idiots. I said this:    |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2023 14:37:37 GMT -5
Also lol there's some guy on another animal forum called "wildanimalwarfare" that believes a cougar would beat a grizzly bear. Jesus what idiots. I said this: And he replied with this lol:  |
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