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Post by brobear on Jan 28, 2021 2:25:29 GMT -5
Quote: Seriously, if you could come up with some type of strength comparison test how would you do it? How much weight a man or men could drag vs a Lion? *How much dead weight can a typical healthy working-class man drag across the ground ( let's say 25 feet )? *How much dead weight can a typical healthy working-class man push across the ground ( lets say 25 feet )? Note: we have all watched the video where store cameras caught a grizzly pushing a dumpster clear out of camera range.
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Post by malikc6 on Mar 9, 2021 0:36:15 GMT -5
There are estimates going off of muscle mass and a few feats in the case for gorillas. One estimate claims that a gorilla could potentially bench press 4000 lbs. That is more 4x more than what Will Barotti did (1105 lbs), and he's one of the strongest men in the world. My max bench press is 300-305. That's 13x stronger than I.
Seems quite excessive personally. What do you all think?
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Post by malikc6 on Mar 9, 2021 1:00:20 GMT -5
Well, we have to remember that these are just animals, they are not robots or T-rexes. So without analyzing too much, if someone tells me a bear is around 5 times stronger than a man, to me that sounds very strong. If someone tells me a bear is 15, or 20 times stronger than a man, that would sound somewhat exaggerated. Dont get me wrong, am not saying its 5 times stronger, we really dont know, but it "sounds" pretty strong already. I know this is old but I think people don't truly realize just how much strength can really change things. Being just TWO times stronger than someone is pretty significant, especially in a fight. Let me tell you this. I've been lifting weights since I was 17. I'll be 25 in about a month. With the exception of squats (I don't care about maxing that lift as I just try to keep them in proportion to the rest of my body and strength), my deadlift when I was at my best (prior to covid) was 385-390. My bench press has stayed the same for a while (300-305). I currently fluctuate between 177-180 weight wise. I'm fairly strong for my size. An ex friend of mine being the narcissist that he was (2 and a half years ago) thought he for some reason could take me in a friendly wrestling sparring match. He weighed 140 and very rarely ever lifted weights and did NOT eat healthy. His benching max at best was 140lbs with poor technique. Needless to say, he lost while it was recorded on instagram live and in front of other friends. I bring this up because as someone who's twice his strength, could feel just how vulnerable he was. He couldn't escape any hold I had him in, and sure technique means more than strength, but there are limits to this. I'd obviously lose if he was highly trained, but what if I was also trained? There's a reason why there exists weight classes. Placing two highly trained wrestlers against each other with comparable skill but one is heavier and stronger, it's pretty obvious who's going to win more often than not. Hell even less skilled but much stronger individuals can and have overpowered more skilled but far weaker individuals. That's just an example of being TWICE as strong as someone. I have a friend who can only bench 75 lbs at best (he's a very frail person, weighing 115 lbs). I'm 4 times his strength. If we were to fight seriously, there's no way he's going to win and he knows it. Hence he's never tried me despite my silly friend group at the time loving to rough house. That's just the case with strong human beings against weaker ones. In the case for animals having both claws and teeth and a colossal amount of muscle and weight behind it? Being "just" 5 times stronger than the average man is ridiculous. Perhaps my comment doesn't mean much but I repeat, even being twice as powerful as someone makes a big difference and it shows. The difference shows especially with larger animals against smaller ones. I'd say a lion is probably 2-3 times stronger than a leopard.
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Post by brobear on Mar 9, 2021 1:47:14 GMT -5
The problem ( IMO ) is the usage of numbers while any workable reliable method of a strength test has been invented or discovered. What we do know: Comparing a silverback gorilla to a strong working-class man is like comparing a strong working-class man to a 10-year-old boy. Same result if you compare the man to a bear of equal height. We also know that regardless of number-estimates, a bear is substantially stronger than a similar-sized cat. Until a workable reliable strength test method is achieved, the numbers are meaningless.
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Post by malikc6 on Mar 9, 2021 2:48:22 GMT -5
The problem ( IMO ) is the usage of numbers while any workable reliable method of a strength test has been invented or discovered. What we do know: Comparing a silverback gorilla to a strong working-class man is like comparing a strong working-class man to a 10-year-old boy. Same result if you compare the man to a bear of equal height. We also know that regardless of number-estimates, a bear is substantially stronger than a similar-sized cat. Until a workable reliable strength test method is achieved, the numbers are meaningless. We can go by how much humans and animals can drag and pull, as I can't think of other ways to test their strength in any other similar fashions.
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Post by brobear on Mar 9, 2021 3:05:56 GMT -5
Quote: We can go by how much humans and animals can drag and pull, as I can't think of other ways to test their strength in any other similar fashions. *There is one video of a Yellowstone grizzly who drags a water-logged bison carcass out of a river - uphill pulling. We can't put any numbers on this, but it was a Herculean feat of strength. As was seen in the video of a grizzly that pushes a dumpster clean out of site of the camera.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 9, 2021 9:55:14 GMT -5
There are estimates going off of muscle mass and a few feats in the case for gorillas. One estimate claims that a gorilla could potentially bench press 4000 lbs. That is more 4x more than what Will Barotti did (1105 lbs), and he's one of the strongest men in the world. My max bench press is 300-305. That's 13x stronger than I. Seems quite excessive personally. What do you all think? Not sure as the gorilla's strength has never been measured. In the wild he really does not need to show feats of strength either. Just by looking at the gorilla's upper body morphology you can just see, his huge front limbs full of muscles. Gorillas eat alot of foods containing fibers, this helps to build muscle according to research. Giving my own personal opinion, i dont know about bench pressing 4000 lbs, but damn sure more than 1105 lbs, i guarantee you that, most likely more than 2000 lbs.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Sept 25, 2021 22:17:09 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on May 6, 2022 23:15:09 GMT -5
yz, thank you for this and other contributions to the Domain of the Bears.
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Post by yz on May 7, 2022 4:36:39 GMT -5
yz, thank you for this and other contributions to the Domain of the Bears. With pleasure 👍
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Post by brobear on Jul 16, 2022 7:53:51 GMT -5
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jul 24, 2022 19:00:35 GMT -5
It might not be scientific but it agrees with our opinion. It also says the polar bear is the strongest.
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