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Post by theundertaker45 on Dec 26, 2020 12:26:54 GMT -5
Unfortunately I received the sad news that one of the great digital artists of our time, "SameerPrehistorica", will quit creating his models of animals by the end of this year. I will surely miss you and your great work; I wish you all the best for the future! This comparison uses two of his models, have a look at it: Smilodon Populator - Steppe Bison (Bison Priscus)
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 26, 2020 13:04:24 GMT -5
Great one Taker. In a head on fight, the Steppe bison takes it 8/9 out of 10 times.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 26, 2020 15:33:19 GMT -5
Oh my god, you serious? The largest feline and the second largest bear. Nice. Cat basically stands no chance.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 26, 2020 16:42:29 GMT -5
Oh my god, you serious? The largest feline and the second largest bear. Nice. Cat basically stands no chance. The skull measurements make more sense now after looking at the size comparisons of these two animals. The short faced bear has the biggest skull yet it’s head seems to be small in proportion to its body size, we can imagine how massive it’s body truly is 😉. First post for the day.
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Post by tom on Dec 26, 2020 17:37:13 GMT -5
This comparison is a special one; the reconstructions of the two Tyrannosaurus Rex specimens have been created by DeviantArt-user "Paleonerd01". His work can truly be considered fantastic!Pictured here are "Stan" (BHI 3033, a male Rex, left side) and the infamous "Sue" (FMNH PR 2081, the largest female Rex discovered so far, right side)
Isn't it true that the female T-Rex was larger than the males?
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Post by theundertaker45 on Dec 26, 2020 17:40:36 GMT -5
tomThere are a bunch of theories around, it's not fully clear yet. I have also messed things up, the genders of the two specimens are unknown, so forget about that.
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Post by theundertaker45 on Dec 26, 2020 17:43:37 GMT -5
Kodiak Bear - Ursus Priscus (max. shoulder heights; Ursus Priscus model by "Prehistoric Fauna")
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Post by brobear on Dec 26, 2020 17:59:29 GMT -5
Kodiak Bear - Ursus Priscus; not as much difference as I expected.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 27, 2020 0:03:34 GMT -5
Ursus Pricus and male polar bear size comparison please?
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Post by brobear on Dec 27, 2020 1:41:04 GMT -5
Malcolm Daniel - The Prehistoric Times Magazine
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Post by theundertaker45 on Dec 27, 2020 6:39:04 GMT -5
brobearScotty was the largest Rex of those having been discovered so far, even larger than Sue. His skull has been estimated at a length of 161cm!
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 27, 2020 8:34:56 GMT -5
You serious mate? The largest feline ever and the largest bear ever. Damn. Even the male kodiak and polar bear outweighs the largest feline. Therefore, one can imagine how big the Arctotherium Angustidens is.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 27, 2020 9:28:24 GMT -5
You serious mate? The largest feline ever and the largest bear ever. Damn. Even the male kodiak and polar bear outweighs the largest feline. Therefore, one can imagine how big the Arctotherium Angustidens is. There is a guy that thinks the Populator would defeat Angustidens......
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Post by brobear on Dec 27, 2020 9:33:27 GMT -5
Even the male kodiak and polar bear outweighs the largest feline. Therefore, one can imagine how big the Arctotherium Angustidens is. There is a guy that thinks the Populator would defeat Angustidens....Those die-hard kitty fan-boys cannot comprehend nor even imagine their chosen favorite ( each has a favorite or two ) big cat losing in face-to-face combat against any adversary - while remaining in total complete denial that all big cats are ambush predators and dislike frontal face-to-face fights.
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Post by theundertaker45 on Dec 27, 2020 9:38:16 GMT -5
brobearThey do, for some of them the limit would probably be the Tyrannosaurus Rex as a bull tusker "doesn't have a chance in an open area"...
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 27, 2020 9:40:35 GMT -5
Not even if the bear has an 1000 lb weight advantage. (That is what Angustidens has over Populator just at averages). They did not cross paths in the wild though as Angustidens went extinct before the arrival of Smilodons. (Thank god for those Smilodons)
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Post by brobear on Dec 27, 2020 9:51:54 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smilodon#Extinction The latest Smilodon fatalis specimen recovered from the Rancho La Brea tar pits has been dated to 13,025 years ago. The latest Smilodon populator remains found in the cave of Cueva del Medio, near the town of Soria, northeast Última Esperanza Province, Magallanes Region in southernmost Chile have been dated to 10,935–11,209 years ago. The most recent carbon-14 date for S. fatalis reported was 10,200 years BP for remains from the First American Cave in 1971; however, the most recent "credible" date has been given as 11,130 BP. *Now to see what bears Smilodon populator did face. Smilodon lived in the Americas during the Pleistocene epoch (2.5 mya – 10,000 years ago). _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ dinopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Arctotherium They were endemic to South America, living from ~2.0–0.01 Million years ago, existing for approximately 1.99 million years
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 27, 2020 10:01:08 GMT -5
Its a possiblity that Smilodon Populator lived with the other 4 species of Arctotherium, for example, Arctotherium tarijense and Arctotherium wingei, the smallest species:
.. The occlusion is also perfect between them. A. wingei is the only species known for the late Pleistocene of northern South America (Brazil, Bolivia and Venezuela). The exception is the record of A. tarijense to Tarija, Bolivia, in sediments presumed to be younger than early Pleistocene (see Soibelzon et al. 2005, Soibelzon andRincón 2007). A. wingei is the smallest species of Arctotherium and even though size is not considered a good taxonomic character for bears, the difference between A. wingei and the other species is so conspicuous (Soibelzon and Tarantini 2009) that we decided to use it in association with other anatomical characters described in the next segment. ...
www.google.com/amp/s/www.researchgate.net/figure/Map-of-probable-distribution-of-Arctotherium-wingei-area-1-and-A-tarijensis-area-2_fig4_233613976/amp
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Post by theundertaker45 on Dec 27, 2020 13:08:22 GMT -5
tomI would suggest using this comparison instead of the old "arena thing" as the flagship comparison of the Domain; it definitely looks much better imo! Only if all of you agree ofc.
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Post by brobear on Dec 27, 2020 13:09:06 GMT -5
brobear Thank you, it took me a couple of weeks gathering all the data and models together in order to be able to create it. As for Arctodus simus and Arctotherium angustidens, tigerluver, who became an actual biologist just a couple of years ago, came up with the same conclusion, that Actodus was the taller of the two. Regardless of a little backlash; I trusted his research. As he pointed out, taller does not necessarily mean heavier. Reply #652 - I agree.
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