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Post by brobear on Feb 25, 2019 5:15:47 GMT -5
Cave Bear / Kodiak Bear:
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 25, 2019 5:52:05 GMT -5
2 very similar species of bear. Very similar in skeleton structure, and the femora also. The cave bear weighted more, but not by much. Cave bears spent more alot more time inside caves, brown bears only used the caves to hibernate. Cave bear is almost “Ursus arctos spelaeus”.
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Post by brobear on Feb 25, 2019 6:21:06 GMT -5
2 very similar species of bear. Very similar in skeleton structure, and the femora also. The cave bear weighted more, but not by much. Cave bears spent more alot more time inside caves, brown bears only used the caves to hibernate. Cave bear is almost “Ursus arctos spelaeus”.
Yes, the cave bear is heavier-boned, but among brown bears, even by comparable body size, the Kodiak has the biggest bones. ( IMO ) and just theory, perhaps the Kamchatka and Kodiaks have the most cave bear DNA among the brown bear populations -?
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 25, 2019 7:04:33 GMT -5
2 very similar species of bear. Very similar in skeleton structure, and the femora also. The cave bear weighted more, but not by much. Cave bears spent more alot more time inside caves, brown bears only used the caves to hibernate. Cave bear is almost “Ursus arctos spelaeus”.
Yes, the cave bear is heavier-boned, but among brown bears, even by comparable body size, the Kodiak has the biggest bones. ( IMO ) and just theory, perhaps the Kamchatka and Kodiaks have the most cave bear DNA among the brown bear populations -? Well what we do know is that a new study confirms that about 0.9 to 2.4 percent of living brown bears DNA traces back to the Cave bears. Which subspecies it does not specify. But yeah, i will be willing to bet that would be the Kamchatka and Kodiak bears, looks that way by morphology.
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Post by brobear on May 8, 2020 13:42:16 GMT -5
Cave Bear (Ursus Spelaeus) vs Kodiak Bear
Cave Bear (Ursus Spelaeus) vs Kodiak Bear - Great comparison. I have found myself wondering about cave bear DNA. Today, living brown bears have a small percentage of cave bear DNA in their physical make-up. Well, I have read that the Kodiak bear has the biggest heaviest bones/skeleton per-size of any other brown bear subspecies. So, I have thought that perhaps the Kamchatka and Kodiaks just might have a higher percentage than other brown bear subspecies. A maybe?
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Post by theundertaker45 on May 8, 2020 13:42:49 GMT -5
brobearInteresting observation, could theoretically be. The cave bear basically is the "tank of the tanks" taking all bears into account; probably the most robust one on a lbs for lbs basis.
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Post by brobear on May 8, 2020 13:46:44 GMT -5
brobear Interesting observation, could theoretically be. The cave bear basically is the "tank of the tanks" taking all bears into account; probably the most robust one on a lbs for lbs basis. He has been called, by a paleontologist, "The most bearish of bears" and I have to agree. ( I moved my other post to "Cave Bears" ).
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on May 24, 2020 23:01:33 GMT -5
Is there any other extinct bear that would be a second close after the cave bear. How would the steppe brown bear do? I think the Californian grizzly probably rivals the Kodiak bear.
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Post by King Kodiak on May 25, 2020 8:48:18 GMT -5
Second close in what way? Weightwise?
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on May 25, 2020 9:26:35 GMT -5
Second close in what way? Weightwise? Yes weightwise. I must have type in a hurry earlier on.
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Post by brobear on May 25, 2020 9:49:10 GMT -5
Is there any other extinct bear that would be a second close after the cave bear. How would the steppe brown bear do? I think the Californian grizzly probably rivals the Kodiak bear. European steppe bear, Ursus maritimus tyrannus, and several Arctodus and Arctotheium species are heavier than a cave bear. Agriotherium africanus is roughly the same weight as the cave bear.
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Post by King Kodiak on May 25, 2020 9:51:58 GMT -5
Second close in what way? Weightwise? Yes weightwise. I must have type in a hurry earlier on. There were bears larger than the cave bear. The steppe brown bear is the largest bear ever of the Ursus genus. Also, the short faced bears were much larger.
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Post by brobear on May 26, 2020 12:03:19 GMT -5
Is there any other extinct bear that would be a second close after the cave bear. How would the steppe brown bear do? I think the Californian grizzly probably rivals the Kodiak bear. European steppe bear, Ursus maritimus tyrannus, and several Arctodus and Arctotheium species are heavier than a cave bear. Agriotherium africanus is roughly the same weight as the cave bear. One other bear slightly larger than the classic cave bear is another cave bear: the more omnivorous Ursus Kanivetz / Ursus Ingressus.
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Post by tom on May 26, 2020 15:03:11 GMT -5
What extinct bear is likely closest genetically to what we call Kamchatka and Kodiak Bear?
Would that be the Cave Bear? Are there others?
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Post by brobear on May 26, 2020 15:25:30 GMT -5
What extinct bear is likely closest genetically to what we call Kamchatka and Kodiak Bear? Would that be the Cave Bear? Are there others? The cave bears are closely related to brown bears; both come from the Etruscan bears. But recently it was discovered that brown bears carry a small amount of cave bear DNA, just as we humans carry a small percentage of Neanderthal DNA. It is my thoughts that the Kodiaks and Kamchatkas carry a higher percentage of cave bear DNA than any other brown bear subspecies. ( simply my theory ).
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on May 26, 2020 20:25:29 GMT -5
That could be theoretically the reason why the Kodiak bears and Kamkatcha brown bears are the bulkiest of the bears.
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Post by brobear on May 27, 2020 3:40:31 GMT -5
prehistoric-fauna.com/Ursus-arctos-priscus Pleistocene Steppe Brown Bear (white background)... ( this brown bear subspecies was larger than any known cave bear species ). 1 reviews Ursus priscus (Ursus priscus (GOLDFUSS, 1818)) Ursus arctos priscus Pleistocene brown bear Steppe brown bear Order: Carnivora Family: Ursidae Dimensions: length - 2,9 m, height - 160 сm, weight - 300-1000 kg Temporal range:the Late Pleistocene - Holocene of Europe
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Post by brobear on Jun 21, 2020 3:35:06 GMT -5
Cave Bear (Ursus Spelaeus) vs Kodiak Bear
The Kodiak bear is the largest living brown bear. The classic cave bear has been called, "The Most Bearish of Bears".
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Post by brobear on Jul 8, 2020 19:04:32 GMT -5
What extinct bear is likely closest genetically to what we call Kamchatka and Kodiak Bear? Would that be the Cave Bear? Are there others? The cave bears are closely related to brown bears; both come from the Etruscan bears. But recently it was discovered that brown bears carry a small amount of cave bear DNA, just as we humans carry a small percentage of Neanderthal DNA. It is my thoughts that the Kodiaks and Kamchatkas carry a higher percentage of cave bear DNA than any other brown bear subspecies. ( simply my theory ).
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Post by brobear on Jul 8, 2020 19:05:04 GMT -5
Cave Bear:
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