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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 2:50:59 GMT -5
I think the only bear that can fight off more than 2 big cats is the almighty shortface bear. Some shortface bears were able to reach weights of over 3,000 pounds. That is pretty huge yet I think comparing a 2200 polar bear and brown bear to a 3000 pound short faced bear would be similar to comparing a 30 kg cape leopard or Mexican jaguar to a 50 kg cheetah.
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Post by brobear on Mar 29, 2019 4:52:24 GMT -5
A huge polar bear or Kodiak could probably displace several big cats without a fight ( IMO ) simply by intimidation. Whether or not the bears would actually attempt this is altogether another matter. We will probably never know.
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Post by BruteStrength on Mar 29, 2019 16:37:28 GMT -5
A huge polar bear or Kodiak could probably displace several big cats without a fight ( IMO ) simply by intimidation. Whether or not the bears would actually attempt this is altogether another matter. We will probably never know. Agree I could definitely picture a large kodiak boar (1200 pounds) chasing off a 600 to 700 pound big cat with sheer size and bulk. Power matters in the long run.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2019 6:52:33 GMT -5
A huge polar bear or Kodiak could probably displace several big cats without a fight ( IMO ) simply by intimidation. Whether or not the bears would actually attempt this is altogether another matter. We will probably never know. Agree I could definitely picture a large kodiak boar (1200 pounds) chasing off a 600 to 700 pound big cat with sheer size and bulk. Power matters in the long run. Big cats at 700 pounds are generally captive but there is one wild african lion recorded to be 272kg by a poster named waveriders: carnivora.net/showthread.php?tid=19&page=15
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Post by brobear on Mar 30, 2019 9:02:31 GMT -5
Big cats kept in captivity often become obese. Just a fact. 272 kilograms is equal to 599.66 pounds (avoirdupois)
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 30, 2019 9:15:35 GMT -5
Big cats kept in captivity often become obese. Just a fact. 272 kilograms is equal to 599.66 pounds (avoirdupois) Like stated many times before, obese big cats lose their main advantage, speed and agility.
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Post by BruteStrength on Mar 30, 2019 20:13:15 GMT -5
I think a big cat such as a tiger or a lion that is over 700 pounds would be a little fat. But I still think it could be in good fighting shape.
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Post by brobear on Mar 31, 2019 7:40:46 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2019 8:18:55 GMT -5
I am yet to hear off captive bears being obese. True brown bears do put on weight during autumn to prepare for hibernation but their fat quickly burns out.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 31, 2019 10:19:45 GMT -5
I am yet to hear off captive bears being obese. True brown bears do put on weight during autumn to prepare for hibernation but their fat quickly burns out. I heard of only one captive grizzly bear being obese. He was allowed to be fed by the people. He could barely walk. He was “fed to suffocation”
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Post by BruteStrength on Mar 31, 2019 23:30:47 GMT -5
I agree Brobear. I don't think a 700 pound tiger is obese either.
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Post by BruteStrength on Mar 31, 2019 23:31:37 GMT -5
Great source King Kodiak. The bear you mentioned in your link was a enormous bear.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 9:18:39 GMT -5
I am yet to hear off captive bears being obese. True brown bears do put on weight during autumn to prepare for hibernation but their fat quickly burns out. I heard of only one captive grizzly bear being obese. He was allowed to be fed by the people. He could barely walk. He was “fed to suffocation”
Human food is more unhealthy than natural food unfortunately. Its irresponsible to allow a bear to bed fed by random strangers/people.
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 1, 2019 11:41:13 GMT -5
Back to Arctodus Simus guys. The king of Pleistocene North America.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 11:49:34 GMT -5
Arctodus simus can sustain 3000 pounds surprisingly despite being the most lightly built of all bears.
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Post by BruteStrength on Apr 1, 2019 12:49:54 GMT -5
I think a 3,000 pound bear will literally kill any big cat that have ever lived. 3,000 pounds in my opinion is just too much. I think the biggest cat to ever lived may have reached a weight of little over 1,000 pounds.
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 1, 2019 16:40:01 GMT -5
Arctodus simus can sustain 3000 pounds surprisingly despite being the most lightly built of all bears. 3000 lbs should be the absolute max for Simus. 3000 lbs is more likely in Arctotherium Angustidens.
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 1, 2019 16:43:19 GMT -5
I think a 3,000 pound bear will literally kill any big cat that have ever lived. 3,000 pounds in my opinion is just too much. I think the biggest cat to ever lived may have reached a weight of little over 1,000 pounds. Yeah, once specimen of the Ngandong tiger weighted about 1040 lbs, that should be the largest cat ever, not counting ligers. Still just an overgrown cat that loses kills, thats all it is.
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Post by BruteStrength on Apr 1, 2019 21:39:08 GMT -5
I think so too Kodiak but there may have been ngandong tiger that could have been even bigger. Who knows?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 0:08:00 GMT -5
KLEPTOPARASITE is a word we should remember. It is a better description of the giant short-faced bear's mode of life. Rather than simply find and devour a carcass, with such a huge variety of predators and scavengers in Pleistocene North America, Arctodus simus probably had to bluff or chase other carnivores from most found carcasses. Rather than refer to the giant as a scavenger; kleptoparasite much better describes this monster. A kleptoparasite is more like a usurper than a pure scavenger. On side note:While most vultures are scavengers and there is a pecking order based mainly on sie and beak strength. Lappet-faced vultures, white headed vultures, and eurasian black vultures function more as kleptoparasites rather than scavengers.
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