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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 31, 2018 11:03:44 GMT -5
( IMO ) Wolverine is 100% correct. Spalea would rather shrug it off as both lion enthusiasts and tiger enthusiasts despise admitting that another member of the order Carnivora can in any way better their chosen big cat. Jimmy is in complete denial. *Note: When a tiger attempts to ambush a sloth bear ( or any bear species ) and the bear discovers the tiger and the ambush is spoiled, we must remember the initial mission of the tiger - to kill the bear. Once the bear becomes aware of the tiger, then the bear also has a mission - to survive a tiger attack and ( in some cases ) to protect a cub. In the case discussed above - the tiger lost - the tiger failed in his mission to kill the bear. The sloth bear wins - the bear successfully defended herself and her cub. Exactly right, but not only did the dominant adult male tiger failed to kill the little skinny female sloth bear, but the tiger ran away at the end showing his low statima compared to the bear.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 14, 2019 23:22:45 GMT -5
I have been searching and searching news and books for any account of a sloth bear killing a bengal tiger, even a cub, but absolutely nothing comes up, its non existent. do you guys think that a sloth bear really never killed a tiger in history? or maybe its just not recorded?
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Post by brobear on Jan 15, 2019 0:46:49 GMT -5
There has been no case ever reported of a sloth bear ever killing a tiger. The tiger normally has a good one-hundred pound weight advantage and a huge length advantage over this small-fry of a bear. I would imagine that their brown bear ancestors were small also migrating down from the mountains.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 15, 2019 3:34:01 GMT -5
There has been no case ever reported of a sloth bear ever killing a tiger. The tiger normally has a good one-hundred pound weight advantage and a huge length advantage over this small-fry of a bear. I would imagine that their brown bear ancestors were small also migrating down from the mountains. Ok so you think it has never happened, not even not recorded correct? i see it real hard really. The thing is sloth bears dont even try to go after tiger cubs like brown bears do, so thats even doubtful.
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Post by brobear on Jan 21, 2019 13:37:04 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sloth_bear Sloth bear fur is completely black (rusty for some specimens), save for a whitish Y- or V-shaped mark on the chest. This feature is sometimes absent, particularly in Sri Lankan specimens. This feature, which is also present in Asian black bears and sun bears, is thought to serve as a threat display, as all three species are sympatric with tigers (tigers usually do not carry out attacks on an adult bear if the bear is aware or facing the cat).
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 21, 2019 19:45:38 GMT -5
From the above link Brobear, wiki: we know sloth bears chase leopards off their kills sometimes, but this is the first time i heard of a sloth bear killing a leopard...
One leopard killed a three-quarters grown female sloth bear in an apparently lengthy fight that culminated in the trees. Apparently, a sloth bear killed a leopard in a confrontation in Yala National Park, Sri Lanka but was itself badly injured in the fight and put down by park rangers subsequently.[39][40] Sloth bears occasionally chase leopards from their kills.
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Post by brobear on Feb 4, 2019 9:26:43 GMT -5
www.lankalibrary.com/wlife/slothbear.htm shaggygod.proboards.com/ One December morning a few years ago, I witnessed the unusual sight of a sloth bear feeding on a buffalo calf. I came upon a fresh leopard kill about 5 metres off the Talgasmankade road in Yala National Park. The leopard had obviously been disturbed by our approach and had not consumed any part of the kill; it had, however, made an incision about 10 cm wide in the skin of the stomach. As the leopard was not in evidence, we left the area, but returned at around 2.30 that same afternoon. We spotted the leopard, a young male, on a tamarind tree about 50 metres into the jungle. I parked the jeep about 30 metres from the kill, and whiled away the time taking photographs of the leopard on the tree. Suddenly, I heard rustling sound coming from behind the jeep. A sloth bear was approaching the kill, downwind, and therefore oblivious of my presence. The leopard, seeing the bear, slipped down the tree and went towards the dead calf, obviously anxious to protect its spoils. The bear took no notice of him, but kept sniffing the air and following the drag-mark made by the leopard earlier on, which meant he was not taking the most direct path to kill. The leopard sped towards the bear, belly to the ground, making low snarling, hissing sounds. The bear did not relent however, even as the big cat sprang at him thus three more times. Outdone, and in no mood for a fight, the leopard retreated to a small hollow in the thorny scrub. The bear did not bother to pursue him. The confrontation had been a noisy one, but with absolutely no physical contact. The bear then opened up the calf's stomach and began sucking on the gory juices. Then, using his paw, he tore out the intestines and ate them. Next, while holding down the carcass with one paw, he opened out the young buffalo's chest with a single sweep of the other paw and fed on the heart and lungs, sucking up all the blood in the cavity. It was interesting to note that he did not eat any of the 'flesh' (muscle). After feeding for about an hour and a half, the bear sat down patiently, cleaned his paws and face, rolled on the sandy road, and then ambled off in the same direction from whence he had come. Some minutes after his departure, the leopard came out of the thicket and started feeding. We left him to his meal.
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Post by brobear on Feb 4, 2019 9:29:27 GMT -5
Face-to-face, a leopard is helpless against any species of full-grown bear.
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 4, 2019 13:06:36 GMT -5
Face-to-face, a leopard is helpless against any species of full-grown bear. Absolutely right. awesome find brobear. Just another account showing that leopards dont want to face a sloth bear. Well you can just imagine an Ussuri brown bear.
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Post by brobear on Feb 8, 2019 14:39:40 GMT -5
A lot of craziness runs through this old man's mind, including bears and evolution. I was just looking at pictures of sloth bears posted over on Wildfact by pockets. It suddenly dawned on me - epiphany - after living in India among huge tigers for close to a million years, why hasn't the sloth bear learned to dart up a tree to escape a tiger, just as the sun bear and black bears do? Two reasons: ( 1 ) the habit of standing his ground against big cats is inherited from his grizzly ancestors. ( 2 ) he has learned that a big cat will not fight a bear who is facing him. There was simply no need to change from his grizzly habit of standing his ground.
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 8, 2019 18:56:27 GMT -5
Yeah brobear definatly. Great points. It is also why the sloth bear is probably the most agressive species of bear right up there with the barren ground grizzly.
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Post by brobear on Feb 9, 2019 0:59:59 GMT -5
Yeah brobear definatly. Great points. It is also why the sloth bear is probably the most agressive species of bear right up there with the barren ground grizzly. He retained his natural grizzly aggression just as the barren ground grizzly and the Tibetan grizzly have. Both of these ( named here ) were living remote enough, unbothered by man, to retain their bad attitudes. Unfortunately, the modern rifle has greatly influenced the disposition of most bears.
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Post by brobear on Feb 9, 2019 1:00:20 GMT -5
Yeah brobear definatly. Great points. It is also why the sloth bear is probably the most agressive species of bear right up there with the barren ground grizzly. He retained his natural grizzly aggression just as the barren ground grizzly and the Tibetan grizzly have. Both of these ( named here ) were living remote enough, unbothered by man, to retain their bad attitudes. Unfortunately, the modern rifle has greatly influenced the disposition of most bears. I can add to this the Gobi grizzly. Living in isolation, he will charge without hesitation.
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Post by brobear on Feb 15, 2019 19:43:41 GMT -5
shaggygod.proboards.com/ The National Geographic Magazine, Volume 94, Number 1 - July 1948 - Page 429 "Ceylon, Island of the Lion People", by Helen Trybulowski Gilles Tiger Versus Sloth Bear "Then a small Indian sloth bear was released in the arena. The man-eater had tasted blood and rushed at once to the attack. But to my amazement, the little bear rose on his hind legs, growled ferociously, and slapped out with his small paws. The tiger pulled up in surprise. Four times the tiger returned to the attack; four times the little bear engaged in his desperate bluff, and he won. The tiger, after its last attempt, turned tail, climbed high into a plane tree, and refused to descend. The little bear was unharmed."
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 15, 2019 20:00:46 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Feb 15, 2019 20:14:21 GMT -5
nationalzoo.si.edu/animals/sloth-bear Sloth bears grow 5 to 6 feet (1.5 to 2 meters) long, stand 2 to 3 feet (0.5 to 1 meters) high at the shoulder, and weigh, on average, 200 to 300 pounds (90 to 140 kilograms). animalsake.com/bengal-tiger-facts ~On an average, the size of a male Bengal tiger is about 3 meters, and it weighs about 250 kg. The female Bengal tigers are smaller than the males. So far, the heaviest recorded size of a Bengal tiger is 388.72 kg or 857 pounds. 250 kilograms is equal to 551.16 pounds (avoirdupois) So what does this mean? A 550-pound Bengal tiger will not fight face-to-face a 300-pound male sloth bear nor even a smaller she-bear.
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Post by brobear on Feb 23, 2019 7:44:29 GMT -5
www.lankalibrary.com/wlife/slothbear.htm The bear took no notice of him, but kept sniffing the air and following the drag-mark made by the leopard earlier on, which meant he was not taking the most direct path to kill. The leopard sped towards the bear, belly to the ground, making low snarling, hissing sounds. The bear did not relent however, even as the big cat sprang at him thus three more times. Outdone, and in no mood for a fight, the leopard retreated to a small hollow in the thorny scrub. The bear did not bother to pursue him. The confrontation had been a noisy one, but with absolutely no physical contact. The bear then opened up the calf's stomach and began sucking on the gory juices. Then, using his paw, he tore out the intestines and ate them. Next, while holding down the carcass with one paw, he opened out the young buffalo's chest with a single sweep of the other paw and fed on the heart and lungs, sucking up all the blood in the cavity. It was interesting to note that he did not eat any of the 'flesh' (muscle). After feeding for about an hour and a half, the bear sat down patiently, cleaned his paws and face, rolled on the sandy road, and then ambled off in the same direction from whence he had come. Some minutes after his departure, the leopard came out of the thicket and started feeding. We left him to his meal.
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 23, 2019 8:25:06 GMT -5
“Outdone, and in no mood for a fight, the leopard retreated to a small hollow in the thorny scrub“
“Some minutes after his departure, the leopard came out of the thicket and started feeding. We left him to his meal”
What a scary ass leopard, great example here brobear.
SRI LANKAN SLOTH BEAR (MELURSUS URSINUS INORNATUS)
Size: 120 to 310 lbs (54 to 141 kg) 5 to 6 ft (1.5 to 1.8 m); Tail, 2.7 to 4.7 in (7 to 12 cm)
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Post by brobear on Feb 23, 2019 9:43:21 GMT -5
Notice the crscent V on the chest of Asiatic black bears, sloth bears, and sun bears. That "V" is a warning to big cats telling them, "I can see you." This is to the big cat a sharp vivid warning, giving him time to rethink his plans of an ambush.
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 23, 2019 9:58:20 GMT -5
Notice the crscent V on the chest of Asiatic black bears, sloth bears, and sun bears. That "V" is a warning to big cats telling them, "I can see you." This is to the big cat a sharp vivid warning, giving him time to rethink his plans of an ambush. It definatly can be a warning, you are right. It can be “Vengeance” is coming if you dont kill me from the back.
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