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Post by brobear on Dec 20, 2018 10:02:36 GMT -5
Some nice pictures here - news.mongabay.com/2018/03/epic-battle-between-tiger-and-sloth-bear-caught-on-film/ Epic battle between tiger and sloth bear caught on film by Mongabay.com on 3 March 2018 | A naturalist at an ecotourism lodge in India has captured footage of a battle between a tiger and a mother sloth bear protecting its cub. Akshay Kumar, the chief naturalist at Bamboo Forest Safari Lodge in Maharashtra, shot the video during an afternoon safari on Wednesday in Tadoba National Park. The video starts with the tiger — a well-known dominant male named Matkasur — chasing off a sloth bear that was headed toward a water hole with her cub. The bear then charges the tiger and the fight ensues. Kumar told NDTV that the bear’s attack was “motherly instinct”. “The tiger attacked the bear more than five minutes. It went after the sloth bear but she kept charging in order to protect her cub,” Kumar told NDTV. “It went on for 15 minutes. The tiger was roaring. It was a severe fight.” Both animals were injured in the encounter. Kumar said the bear’s thick fur saved her from a worse outcome. Note: this was a mother bear against a full-grown male Bengal tiger. |
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 20, 2018 12:50:45 GMT -5
Lets be very honest here. In that fight, the little female sloth bear looked like it would have no way of killing that tiger, but her ferociousness made the dominant male tiger run away, so the sloth won the fight. I believe that even the largest sloth bears wont be able to kill a tiger, that is why there are zero accounts of this. But as we have seen many times, drive the tigers off with their ferociousness.
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Post by brobear on Dec 21, 2018 6:08:48 GMT -5
Lets be very honest here. In that fight, the little female sloth bear looked like it would have no way of killing that tiger, but her ferociousness made the dominant male tiger run away, so the sloth won the fight. I believe that even the largest sloth bears wont be able to kill a tiger, that is why there are zero accounts of this. But as we have seen many times, drive the tigers off with their ferociousness. This just occurred to me: the tiger does not wish to go head-to-head with a sloth bear for the same reason that a grizzly will normally avoid a male tiger. The Bengal tiger knows that before he can dispatch the sloth bear, he will suffer some very painful wounds. Likewise, a grizzly would receive some nasty wounds from an Amur tiger in a fight. It is simply a matter of the price being too high to pay for the prize. |
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 21, 2018 6:21:47 GMT -5
Exactly yes. same way that adult male amur tigers avoid adult male brown bears at all costs. The tiger knows the bear will kill him or at least leave him crippled and wont be able to hunt.
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Post by brobear on Dec 21, 2018 6:27:37 GMT -5
Exactly yes. same way that adult male amur tigers avoid adult male brown bears at all costs. The tiger knows the bear will kill him or at least leave him crippled and wont be able to hunt. Bengal tiger avoids frontal contact with a bear to avoid injury. Grizzly avoids mature male Amur tiger to avoid injury. Tiger avoids mature male grizzly to avoid death.  |
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 21, 2018 6:41:11 GMT -5
Exactly yes. same way that adult male amur tigers avoid adult male brown bears at all costs. The tiger knows the bear will kill him or at least leave him crippled and wont be able to hunt. Bengal tiger avoids frontal contact with a bear to avoid injury. Grizzly avoids mature male Amur tiger to avoid injury. Tiger avoids mature male grizzly to avoid death. Right on the spot Brobear. Cant be better said. 100% correct. |
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 22, 2018 7:48:28 GMT -5
New video: bengal tiger runs away from 3 sloth bears, only 1 charges.
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Post by brobear on Dec 22, 2018 8:02:29 GMT -5
Above video: Mama Bear and two cubs.
Apparently, red-necks in India, Russia, and everywhere. Just like the grizzly/wild boar video. They make noise with their trucks.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 22, 2018 8:08:03 GMT -5
And yet another video clearly showing a bengal tiger running away, that is already 3 straight, the last 3 videos that came out. Its 100% clear that bengals dont want a face to face fight with this bear.
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Post by brobear on Dec 22, 2018 8:22:14 GMT -5
And yet another video clearly showing a bengal tiger running away, that is already 3 straight, the last 3 videos that came out. Its 100% clear that bengals dont want a face to face fight with this bear. ...or any bear face-to-face. |
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 22, 2018 8:32:08 GMT -5
And yet another video clearly showing a bengal tiger running away, that is already 3 straight, the last 3 videos that came out. Its 100% clear that bengals dont want a face to face fight with this bear. ...or any bear face-to-face. Much less the great......BROWN BEAR. |
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 30, 2018 3:56:06 GMT -5
Sloth bears often charge, intimidate, and steal kills from leopards.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 30, 2018 4:29:22 GMT -5
I have to tell you, the sloth bear might be the candidate for the most respected bear. For its medium to small size, it faces predators like bengal tigers, which are the largest tigers today, and also leopards. As we can see in the reports, they do pretty good, they dont kill these 2 predators, but often steal their kills and make them run away. In face to face fights they do very good also as seen in the Maktasur video. My respect to this ferocious little bear. (Melursus ursinus).
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Post by brobear on Dec 30, 2018 5:01:49 GMT -5
I have to tell you, the sloth bear might be the candidate for the most respected bear. For its medium to small size, it faces predators like bengal tigers, which are the largest tigers today, and also leopards. As we can see in the reports, they do pretty good, they dont kill these 2 predators, but often steal their kills and make them run away. In face to face fights they do very good also as seen in the Maktasur video. My respect to this ferocious little bear. (Melursus ursinus). I agree wholeheartedly. It was discussed at Wildfact - why does the sloth bear, listed among the smallest of bears, choose to stand his ground against a predator such as a leopard or a tiger when he is capable of climbing a tree? Posters were theorizing a host of possible reasons. None of them made sense as they could not explain why the sloth bear and not the sun bear or black bear. Then, in my research, I discovered that the sloth bear is a direct descendant of the brown bear. Long ago, a population of grizzlies found themselves living in a tropical environment and adapted to a new lifestyle. They discovered a gold-mine of tasty termites and the cubs discovered fruit in the trees. As these bears evolved, they became smaller and they became more commonly black over brown. These down-sized grizzlies were able to climb trees to eat the fruit. But, they retained their old "grizzly habit" of confronting predators. |
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 30, 2018 5:34:17 GMT -5
There you go, that would explain everything. This bear here is a ferocious fighter.
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Post by brobear on Dec 31, 2018 10:24:31 GMT -5
WOLVERINE
Probably not only big male bears but any adult male brown bear. If the adult male tiger Matkasur weighting 200-220 kg from the famous video didn't succeed to overwhelm a smallish female Sloth bear weighting only 90-100 kg (that's the average mass of the female) and actually lost the battle how come a tiger can be stronger than adult male Ussuri brown bear with average weight of 270 kg... ?. That's unthinkable.
Its time for us - tiger lovers and lion lovers to open our eyes in the front of the truth and admit that the brown bear is way stronger than any cat. Sadly.
Nevertheless the obligatory predators as the big cats somehow are much more charismatic and excite human imagination much more than the omnivorus animals.
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wildfact.com/forum/topic-on-the-edge-of-extinction-a-the-tiger-panthera-tigris?pid=57419#pid57419
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Post by brobear on Dec 31, 2018 10:25:42 GMT -5
Spalea responds: Why sadly ? At least, adult brown and polar bears are in "another league" with regard to the big cats. No shame to admit that.
We could believe that, at each occasion an adult tiger, being a pure predator, would kill by ambush a same-sized bear, or think that a whole pride of lions could get the better of an adult bear as it was possible in the past during the pleistocene period. If that is any consolation for us...
But the wild life isn't a sport tournament within which we could count and recognize the victories of our beloved and favourite animal specy (tiger, lion...) at the expense of other animals. Its absolute beauty is somewhere else.
And if we want to be amazed in front of the wild life shows and to protect and serve it (the wild life), how childish and waste of time are these speculations !
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Post by brobear on Dec 31, 2018 10:27:05 GMT -5
Jimmy responds: @wolverine I thought the tiger did manage to overwhelm the bear with it's power, two things: the bear was tenacious enough to keep fighting since it was protecting it's cub and the tiger was tiring due to heat. The tiger did not lose either , it did not seem to have any worse wounds than the bear and was actually winning the contest, until it just could not finish off the bear and exhausted itself in the heat. Of course, the bear would not let it any closer to itself (and to it's cub) and that is it. The scenario was that the tiger which was in the waterhole saw the bear coming and went for it or the cub then in the end the bear chased it up to the same waterhole where the tiger cooled off. so in a sense the tiger did not have its ground to the bear on the contrary sloth bears which were coming for a drink had to go thirsty. However, the bottom line and the important thing is that sloth bears are known aggressive bears and they have been surviving in tiger territory, they have their own strategy for survival which should not be made a case for Brown bears as they are completely different. For an opinion, I don't think tigers will make such a full body contact fight against a brown bear and might use it's agility instead.
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Post by brobear on Dec 31, 2018 10:36:56 GMT -5
( IMO ) Wolverine is 100% correct.
Spalea would rather shrug it off as both lion enthusiasts and tiger enthusiasts despise admitting that another member of the order Carnivora can in any way better their chosen big cat.
Jimmy is in complete denial.
*Note: When a tiger attempts to ambush a sloth bear ( or any bear species ) and the bear discovers the tiger and the ambush is spoiled, we must remember the initial mission of the tiger - to kill the bear. Once the bear becomes aware of the tiger, then the bear also has a mission - to survive a tiger attack and ( in some cases ) to protect a cub.
In the case discussed above - the tiger lost - the tiger failed in his mission to kill the bear.
The sloth bear wins - the bear successfully defended herself and her cub.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 31, 2018 11:01:05 GMT -5
Yeah i had already posted the Wolverine post in the tiger vs grizzly thread. Just a tiger fan admitting the truth, really awesome.
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