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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 31, 2020 16:57:30 GMT -5
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 2, 2020 7:13:47 GMT -5
Brobear posted this post by Peter in the "wild boar" thread, so i am just putting it here because it belongs in this thread also.
By Peter: 3 - Himalayan black bear and wild boar
In 1993, 'Tiger, deer and ginseng', written by V. Jankowski, was published (in Russian). This is the book in which the very large Sungari river tiger is discussed. During the debate about the tiger and the bear he had killed a few days before he was shot, Warsaw, Wolverine and WaveRiders posted translations of the part in which the tiger featured. These enabled me to get to a kind of reconstruction. I'll post it soon.
As to the large male Himalayan black bear and the wild boar he killed. When he was out for tigers troubling a small village, V. Jankowski saw a large wild boar in a riverine forest. At least, that's what he thought. He shot the 'boar'. When he went over to see what had happened, he saw he had shot a well-fed male Himalayan black bear. The bear had killed a large male wild boar. It was the first time he saw a wild boar killed by a Himalayan black bear.
Himalayan male bears average 130-140 kg., but individual variation is pronounced. Large males can reach 180-200 kg., if not more. Males of that size do not fear tigers and apparently are able to hunt as well.
Here's Valery Jankowski with a large Himalayan black bear. I don't know if it is the bear mentioned in his book, but it shows that some males can reach a great size:
Here's another one. Adult male Ussuri wild boar (354 kg. or 781 pounds) and adult grey wolf:
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 6, 2020 18:27:41 GMT -5
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Post by King Kodiak on May 1, 2020 10:28:36 GMT -5
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Post by tom on May 1, 2020 17:53:13 GMT -5
IMO It would seem that Tigers have a strong instinct on self preservation. They do not seem to want to risk injury in a face to face confrontation with a large predator. You could chalk this up to intelligence because an injured Tiger will not be able to hunt.
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Post by King Kodiak on May 1, 2020 19:33:05 GMT -5
IMO It would seem that Tigers have a strong instinct on self preservation. They do not seem to want to risk injury in a face to face confrontation with a large predator. You could chalk this up to intelligence because an injured Tiger will not be able to hunt. Exactly Tom yeah. The tiger did defend its kill in the well known account above, maybe because it was a big male tiger. But he did run away at the end.
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Post by brobear on May 13, 2020 7:10:00 GMT -5
IMO It would seem that Tigers have a strong instinct on self preservation. They do not seem to want to risk injury in a face to face confrontation with a large predator. You could chalk this up to intelligence because an injured Tiger will not be able to hunt. Exactly Tom yeah. The tiger did defend its kill in the well known account above, maybe because it was a big male tiger. But he did run away at the end.It is also possible that this big male tiger had already experienced several failed ambush attempts before making this kill. This would leave him with the choice of returning to the hunt or defend the food in front of him that he had earned.
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Post by King Kodiak on May 13, 2020 8:07:44 GMT -5
Exactly Tom yeah. The tiger did defend its kill in the well known account above, maybe because it was a big male tiger. But he did run away at the end. It is also possible that this big male tiger had already experienced several failed ambush attempts before making this kill. This would leave him with the choice of returning to the hunt or defend the food in front of him that he had earned. Yeah, he earned it. But the bear took it by force.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jun 16, 2020 9:32:11 GMT -5
Emergency Airways After Himalayan Black Bear Attacks in Bhutan.Introduction
Although bear attacks on humans are uncommon, the incidence has slowly risen as human populations increasingly encroach on wilderness habitat. In the Kingdom of Bhutan, Himalayan black bear attacks occur regularly. Bears preferentially attack the face, often causing injuries that require surgical airway management. We sought to determine how often patients injured by Himalayan black bears required airway management during initial resuscitation. Methods
We conducted a retrospective review of emergency department and admission records of the 3 referral hospitals in Bhutan. We identified all victims of bear attacks in Bhutan who received emergency airway management, including surgical airway management during the period from August 2013 to December 2017. Results
There were 21 patients who were treated for injuries from bear attacks during the study period. Of these, 12 required emergency airway management. Three patients who required emergency airways (2 intubations, 1 surgical airway) were attacked near a regional referral hospital and received care at that hospital. The remaining 9 patients received care from the helicopter emergency medical services (HEMS) retrieval team (1 intubation, 8 surgical airways). Conclusions
The use of highly trained HEMS critical care retrieval teams may improve outcomes in critically injured patients who require time-critical airway management in remote areas. Countries such as Bhutan with populations far from emergency and critical care might benefit from the establishment of HEMS critical care retrieval services. HEMS teams providing care while retrieving patients from austere environments should be expert in emergency airway management. www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1080603219301553
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Post by brobear on Oct 19, 2020 18:20:24 GMT -5
elementy.ru/nauchno-populyarnaya_biblioteka/434314/Gimalayskie_medvedi_Bolshogo_Khekhtsira English Relationship with Tiger and Brown Bear The enemies of the Himalayan bears in the reserve are the tiger and the brown bear. The tiger preys on them year-round: excrement with the remains of Himalayan bears is found at any time of the year, and individuals of all ages become victims. Due to the lack of suitable hollows, some Himalayan bears are forced to winter in land dens, where they become easy prey for the tiger. So, in January 2000, on the right bank of the Geologovsky stream (the left tributary of the Polovinka River), a male tiger killed a Himalayan bear wintering in a land den. A little later, a tigress joined the tiger meal, catching up with him on the trail. They dragged the remains of the bear to different places located at a distance of 200, 120 and 80 m from each other. The head of a Himalayan bear killed by a male tiger and eaten by him and a tigress. The head was moved by one of the tigers to their resting place. The right bank of the Geologovsky stream (January 2000) The predation of the tiger during its sedentary habitation on Khekhtsir (1992–2007) did not lead to a decrease in the bear population. The reaction of Himalayan bears to tiger tracks is different. Usually, adult bears show no visible signs of anxiety. With the help of a camera trap installed on a permanent tiger trail near the Tigrovy Grotto, it was possible to find out that bears also often use this trail. But one day, in December 1995, a bear was frightened of fresh traces of a tigress and two cubs. Probably, such cases are not isolated, because there is evidence that the Himalayan bear is panicky afraid of tiger tracks. A. G. Yudakov and I. G. Nikolaev, who conducted research in the western part of the Middle Sikhote-Alin, indicate that the bears react differently to tiger tracks. The cubs of fresh tiger tracks cause great fear in the cubs - and they immediately climb the trees. This fear is innate in them.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 19, 2020 18:41:00 GMT -5
Reply #29: i think there is a confusion with the translation there. I think they are really talking about the Ussuri black bear which all ages get hunted, not the Himalayan black bear. I will elaborate in a while, i need to translate and analyze this good.
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Post by brobear on Oct 19, 2020 18:49:08 GMT -5
In all honesty; I believe that "Himalayan bear" is actually used as a common name for any Asiatic black bear. Or, so it seems.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 19, 2020 19:03:33 GMT -5
In all honesty; I believe that "Himalayan bear" is actually used as a common name for any Asiatic black bear. Or, so it seems. You just hit it right on the money, i am pretty sure they are talking about the Ussuri black bear (Ursus thibetanus ussuricus), that is why even Peter said that he has never seen a reliable account of a tiger killing an adult male Himalayan black bear. That link is too long, i have to translate it and analyze it good, but this here is one of the first paragraphs:
"The Himalayan bear lives in the forest areas of South and East Asia from Southeast Iran (Baluchistan), Afghanistan and the Himalayas to the Pacific coast, as well as on the islands of Taiwan and Japan (Honshu, Kyushu, Shikoku). The northern end of its range extends to the south of the Russian Far East, where a subspecies lives - the Ussuri Himalayan bear, which differs from its southern relatives in pure black thick fur and larger size [1–6]."
Quote: The northern end of its range extends to the south of the Russian Far East, where a subspecies lives - the USSURI Himalayan bear,
I will keep analyzing it, there is alot more..
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 19, 2020 19:38:24 GMT -5
Ok brobear, i just translated more than half that link (in the other half they just start talking about brown bears), and yes, like you just said, its pretty clear that they are using the term "Himalayan black bear" for all Asiatic black bear subspecies, in this case, i am pretty sure they are talking about the Ussuri black bear (Ursus thibetanus Ussuricus). Also, its pretty weird that this article talks about the relationship between tigers and black bears in the RFE, yet they dont mention the Ussuri black bear which is the most numerous black bear subspecies in the RFE. Its clear that they just used "Himalayan black bear" as a general Asiatic black bear term.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 19, 2020 20:47:17 GMT -5
From reply #29:
Translation: A hall similar to a nest, made on a bird cherry tree by a Himalayan bear. Right-bank valley of the river. Ussuri in the vicinity of the Chirki cordon (August 2002)
This here would be another detail showing that they are really talking about the Ussuri black bear. It stated that nest above was made by a Himalayan black bear and was located in the Ussuri river, well, guess which bear is named after that river? The Ussuri black bear.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Oct 19, 2020 21:26:44 GMT -5
The Ussuri black bear is also a well respected animal from the looks of it.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 19, 2020 13:43:47 GMT -5
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 19, 2020 16:47:36 GMT -5
It might actually be more offensively aggressive than the sloth bear. The only black bear which dominates a brown bear (Himalayan brown/red bear) subspecies in its range.
Personally, I always thought the sloth bear was the most aggressive.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 19, 2020 16:57:06 GMT -5
It might actually be more offensively aggressive than the sloth bear. The only black bear which dominates a brown bear (Himalayan brown/red bear) subspecies in its range. Personally, I always thought the sloth bear was the most aggressive. Yeah, the difference is offensive and defensive. Sloth bears dont attack larger cattle. One time a Himalayan black bear displaced an adult male tiger from its kill, you have to be real aggressive to do that.
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Post by brobear on Dec 20, 2020 4:16:38 GMT -5
Quote; "Personally, I always thought the sloth bear was the most aggressive." *From what I've read, those naturalists and biologists, who know the sloth bear best, claim that the sloth bear is no more aggressive than most other bears. There are merely aspects to their habits which gives this impression. ( 1 ) Sloth bears have very poor peripheral vision. Add to this the fact that their methods of feeding can be extremely noisy. Because of these two factors, the sloth bear can easily be taken by surprise and often attacks more out of fear than aggression. ( 2 ) When a sloth bear discovers a tiger in his attempt to stalk the bear, flight or fight normally depends on the distance between the big cat and the bear. The sloth bear knows that if he runs, the tiger will likely catch him and kill him. Over the eons, this bear has learned to stand his ground against the tiger, who will most often walk away rather than fight with the bear. *Fact - no sloth bear really wants to fight a tiger.
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