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Post by brobear on Dec 18, 2020 9:49:55 GMT -5
All of these "big cat menageries" ( and I've been to the one shown here in Reply #161 ) breed ligers and tigons - for what logical purpose? I'll wager this big, obese, hybrid kitty would last no longer than about one month out in the wild.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 18, 2020 10:13:21 GMT -5
And i bet a much smaller lion or tiger would kill it.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 21, 2020 1:26:51 GMT -5
And i bet a much smaller lion or tiger would kill it. Agreed. The hybrid cat does not have the bone structure of the brown and polar bears to sustain such massive weight.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 22, 2020 15:50:58 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Dec 22, 2020 16:40:32 GMT -5
I like this idea: To cope with this disaster, the expert proposes a temporary moratorium on hunting for all types of ungulates. This will provide an opportunity to restore the numbers of roe deer and red deer, which are an alternative source of food for tigers to wild boars, without additional pressure from humans.
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Post by theundertaker45 on Dec 23, 2020 5:15:45 GMT -5
Skull Data on the Bali Tiger (the sample compromises 5 individuals (males only); the original 3 reported by Mazák et al. 1977 and two other specimens preserved in the Hungarian Natural History Museum and the Rijksmuseum van Natuurlijke Historie)
Length and Width Figures
Greatest Skull Length: 308.1mm (n=5; range: 295-321mm) Condylobasal Length: 274.2mm (n=4; range: 267-284mm) Basal Length: 251.6mm (n=3; range: 248-258mm) Zygomatic Width: 213.1mm (n=4; range: 203-221mm) Skull Height: 151mm (n=1) Skull Weight: 1046g (n=1)
Ratios
ZW/GSL: 69.9% (n=4; range: 68.7-70.8%) ZW/CBL: 77.7% (n=3; range: 76.1-78.8%) ZW/BL: 83.6% (n=3; range: 81.7-84.7%) SH/SL: 47.9% (n=1) SW/GSL: ~3.32 (n=1)
Legend
BL ... Basal Length CBL ... Condylobasal Length GSL ... Greatest Skull Length SH ... Skull Height SW ... Skull Weight ZW ... Zygomatic Width
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Post by theundertaker45 on Dec 23, 2020 8:39:42 GMT -5
Skull Data on the American Lion (compromises the data from Racho La Brea; I excluded specimens where certain measurements of the skull were only estimated due to broken parts)
Length and Width Figures
Greatest Length of the Skull: 397.4mm (n=13; range: 310.3-467.5mm) Condylobasal Length of the Skull: 356.8mm (n=16; range: 290-424.3mm) Basal Length of the Skull: 334.9mm (n=17; range: 269-404.7mm) Mastoid Width of the Skull: 146.2mm (n=13; range: 122.8-173.6mm) Postorbital Width of the Skull: 113.4mm (n=10; range: 99-129.4mm) Zygomatic Width of the Skull: 258.3mm (n=11; range: 212.2-304.3mm)
Ratios
MW/GSL: 38.1% (n=11; range: 35.8-40.8%) POW/GSL: 30.1% (n=8; range: 27.5-33%) ZW/GSL: 63.3% (n=9; range: 58.2-69%) ZW/CBL: 70.5% (n=10; range: 67.2-77.9%) ZW/BL: 74.9% (n=11; range: 70.9-85%)
Legend
BL ... Basal Length CBL ... Condylobasal Length GSL ... Greatest Skull Length MW ... Mastoid Width POW ... Postorbital Width ZW ... Zygomatic Width
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 25, 2020 7:18:55 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Jan 3, 2021 3:29:18 GMT -5
Panthera blytheae - the original Panthera.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jan 3, 2021 3:36:41 GMT -5
It seems the Panthera blytheae was on par with the clouded leopard and was a large part of the snow leopard’s diet before it extinction.
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Post by brobear on Jan 3, 2021 3:51:06 GMT -5
It seems the Panthera blytheae was on par with the clouded leopard and was a large part of the snow leopard’s diet before it extinction. This panther was probably slightly smaller than the clouded leopard and had a diet consisting of similar prey animals to the snow leopard.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jan 14, 2021 21:52:54 GMT -5
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 20, 2021 10:47:12 GMT -5
From the book "Cats of Africa: Behavior, ecology, and conservation"
Ragardless of species, the feline skeleton delivers speed to run down prey and strength to subdue it. However, this presents and immediate biomechanial impasse as adaptations for speed tend to counter those for strength. The feline design is an efficient compromise between the two, meaning that most cat species tend to be very fast and very strong for short bursts, but lack endurance in either. Cats are built for explosive effort. they cannot run down prey over long distances as members of the dog family, nor can they spend hours excavating it, as do bears or badgers.
books.google.com/books?id=qQhuqVC4bnEC&pg=PP56&dq=Bears+have+stronger+skeletons+than+felids&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwit4oO96aruAhXWB80KHeF-DDAQ6AEwAXoECAMQAg
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jan 20, 2021 11:00:14 GMT -5
Cats do have a combination of speed and strength. I consider them stronger than most mammals pound to pound except for ursines and mustelids.
Mustelids are too small to be the strongers overall despite their good defense.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 22, 2021 10:55:19 GMT -5
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jan 22, 2021 11:13:39 GMT -5
Could they be the lion version of BloodyPaws ?
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Post by tom on Jan 22, 2021 17:38:56 GMT -5
Could they be the lion version of BloodyPaws ? Seriously? Never heard of a Lioness growing a mane let alone acting like males. Too much testosterone...... Genetic freaks.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 22, 2021 18:01:42 GMT -5
Could they be the lion version of BloodyPaws ? Yes could be. During 3 years, Bloody paws killed 570 head of domestic animals, (the record). I am willing to bet that is more animals killed than those lioness in any 3 year period.
domainofthebears.proboards.com/post/15717/thread
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Post by brobear on Jan 22, 2021 18:47:59 GMT -5
Back in the '80s, I remember in the Savannah news, a hunter was caught with a buck deer in the bed of his pick-up truck ( doe season ). While one ranger was writing him a ticket, the other ranger was looking at the deer. The hunter did not get the ticket. The deer with a nice set of antlers was a doe.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jan 31, 2021 19:59:24 GMT -5
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