smedz
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Post by smedz on Apr 12, 2020 12:17:16 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Apr 18, 2020 7:09:05 GMT -5
Strength of the Tiger: 225 kg = 496 pounds / 200 m. = 656 feet.  |
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 18, 2020 14:01:56 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Apr 19, 2020 1:28:05 GMT -5
Interesting. From what I've hears from Peter, tigers other than in Russia rarely hunt and kill bears. The amount of bears found in tiger scat is a tiny fraction when found at all. Only the Amur tiger routinely hunts and consumes bear flesh and this in a small percentage of the animals he kills. |
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 19, 2020 6:16:45 GMT -5
Interesting. From what I've hears from Peter, tigers other than in Russia rarely hunt and kill bears. The amount of bears found in tiger scat is a tiny fraction when found at all. Only the Amur tiger routinely hunts and consumes bear flesh and this in a small percentage of the animals he kills. |
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Post by brobear on Apr 20, 2020 10:42:57 GMT -5
I just don't believe that bears are really a normal part of a tiger's ( cough cough ) diet at all anywhere other than in Russia. This isn't saying that when a really hungry tiger just happens to spot a bear, he will not attempt an ambush. But ( IMHO ) tigers south of Siberia do not purposely go out on a bear hunt. Therefore bear flesh is not within the normal diet of tigers ( with the exception of the Amur tiger ).
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 20, 2020 15:54:05 GMT -5
I just don't believe that bears are really a normal part of a tiger's ( cough cough ) diet at all anywhere other than in Russia. This isn't saying that when a really hungry tiger just happens to spot a bear, he will not attempt an ambush. But ( IMHO ) tigers south of Siberia do not purposely go out on a bear hunt. Therefore bear flesh is not within the normal diet of tigers ( with the exception of the Amur tiger ). |
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Post by brobear on Apr 21, 2020 3:44:57 GMT -5
I just don't believe that bears are really a normal part of a tiger's ( cough cough ) diet at all anywhere other than in Russia. This isn't saying that when a really hungry tiger just happens to spot a bear, he will not attempt an ambush. But ( IMHO ) tigers south of Siberia do not purposely go out on a bear hunt. Therefore bear flesh is not within the normal diet of tigers ( with the exception of the Amur tiger ). This makes sense. There is probably less large prey animals per square mile in the Russian taiga than in the southern regions of Asia where tigers live. Therefore the Amur tiger has fewer choices.  |
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Post by brobear on Apr 27, 2020 4:13:38 GMT -5
www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/largest-feline-carnivore?fb_comment_id=746595795394973_1084926174895265 Largest feline carnivore - AMUR TIGER, SIBERIAN TIGER. The world's largest wild cat is the Siberian or Amur tiger (Panthera tigris altaica), native to eastern Russia, north-east China and North Korea. Males, which are bigger than females, typically have a total length of 2.7–3.3 metres (8 feet 10 inches–10 feet 9 inches) from nose to tail tip, as measured between the pegs, a shoulder height of 0.99–1.07 metres (3 feet 3 inches–3 feet 6 inches), and a weight of 180–306 kilograms (397–675 pounds). Historically, there are reports of exceptional specimens reaching up to 4 m (13 ft) long. An unconfirmed report by Russian naturalist Vyacheslav Sysoyev mentions one male Siberian tiger weighing 384 kilograms (846 pounds 9 ounces), which was shot in the Sikhote Alin Gory Mountains, Maritime Territory, Russian Federation, in 1950. Bakyov reported specimens from Manchuria weighing 390–400 kg (860–880 lb). There is reason to believe that such large individuals are now a thing of the past owing to over-hunting of the most sizeable tigers or a reduction of prey over time. Other scientists suggest that these reports may all have been exaggerations. An outsized male Bengal tiger (P. t. tigris) shot in northern Uttar Pradesh, India, in November 1967, measured 3.22 m (10 ft 7 in) between pegs – or 3.37 m (11 ft 1 in) over the curves – and weighed approximately 389 kg (857 lb). However, it must be taken into account that this particular tiger had killed a buffalo the night before, so had a very full stomach! This specimen is now on display at the US Museum of Natural History at the Smithsonian Institution in Washington DC, USA. In captivity, the largest tiger on record was a Siberian male named Jaipur, owned by American animal trainer Joan Byron Marasek. In 1986, at the age of nine years old, Jaipur measured 3.32 m (10 ft 11 in) long from nose to tail tip and weighed 423 kg (932 lb). The largest living cat is Hercules, an adult male liger (lion x tigress hybrid) currently housed at Myrtle Beach Safari, a wildlife reserve in South Carolina, USA. In total length, he measures 3.33 m (131 in), stands 1.25 m (49 in) at the shoulder and weighs 418.2 kg (922 lb).
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Post by brobear on Apr 27, 2020 4:20:57 GMT -5
www.2ndchance.info/bigcatdiet.htm Various field studies have estimated that mature wild tigers and lions consume between 10 and 25 pounds of prey a day. This is between 4 and 7% of their body weight. This is only a theoretical average. In the wild tigers and lions will gorge up to one hundred pounds at one sitting and then fast for many days.
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Post by King Kodiak on May 6, 2020 12:49:25 GMT -5
Field Guide for Aging Tigers
www.researchgate.net/publication/322963058_Field_Guide_for_Aging_Tigers
Supplement Appendix 1: Field Guide for Aging Tigers
Y. V. Jhala & A. Sadhu
Herein we describe a field technique developed and used by us for this study to age
tigers into six age groups (stages: cubs <12 months, juveniles 1-2 years, sub-adults >2-3
years, young-adults >3-5 years, prime-adults >5-10 years, old-adults >10 years). Field ageing
of carnivores has been done using body characteristics and measurements (Schaller 1972,
Smuts et al. 1978, Ashman et al. 1983, Goodrich et al. 2010, Banerjee & Jhala 2012), tooth
eruption, wear and colouration (Ashman et al. 1983, Smuts et al. 1978, Stander 1997, Van
Horn et al. 2003, Goodrich et al. 2010, Banerjee & Jhala 2012), gum line recession (Laundre
et al. 2000, Fabregas and Garces-Narro 2014) and nose pigmentation (Whitman et al. 2004).
In the absence of any comprehensive published method for ageing tigers from field
observations, we developed ageing criteria based on observations of known-aged tigers in the
wild, and close inspection of >20 tigers captured for research purpose whose age was known
to the closest three months. We use body size, body characteristics, teeth eruption, wear and
colouration, nose pigmentation and gum-line recession to age tigers in the field.
Tigers often "yawn" when in proximity to people, probably showing their teeth in a
non-confrontational manner, as a means to intimidate. This helps to closely observe teeth
condition and gum-line recession (if any), with binoculars or telelens photographs (Fig.1).
Teeth eruption, wear and colouration as well as gum line recession (Fabregas and Garces-
Narro 2014) are highly correlated with age of the tiger.
1. Cubs (<12 months):
Cubs were usually observed after they were about two months old. At 2-3 months
they are the size of a large domestic cat (S1a). Before this time, they rarely accompany their
mother and are restricted to their birth site. In small cubs, the colour of the iris is blue-grey
and begins to turn amber by 3-4-month age. Cubs are born toothless and develop their milk
dentition by one to one and half month age. They start to eat some meat by two-month age
but largely depend on their mother’s milk, which changes to more meat diet by 4-5 months.
By 5-6 month cubs become as large as a jackal and reach the belly of their mothers (S1b,
S1c), at this stage, they accompany the mother to nearby kills to feed and are usually weaned.
The scrotum of the male cub is visible from early on, and there is a distinct size difference
between male and female cubs by the age of 6-8 months (S1d).
2. JUVENILES (1 to 2 years):
Juvenile tigers accompany their mothers to larger kills and are usually not
photographed alone, making size comparison easy (S2a, S2b). Tigers at this stage are roughly
half the size of their mothers (about the size of a leopard, 50-120 Kg). Male tigers show faster
growth than females and are seen to be substantially larger. Face proportions are cub like,
with a shorter snout and smaller face and has developed or partly developed permanent
dentition (which begins at the age of about 9-10 months and is completed by 12-14 months,
Mazak 1981) (S2c, S2d).
3 SUB ADULTS (>2 to 3 years):
At the sub-adult stage, the males are substantially larger than the females. Often sub-
adult tigers move around with their siblings, but by 30 months they become more solitary.
The body is almost as large as adults and can no longer be used for size comparisons as most
of the camera trap images are of solitary tigers. In exceptional cases, sub-adult males can
weigh as much as 200 Kg and females as much as 120 Kg by 30 months (YV Jhala,
Inner grove
Outer grove
Ridge
Gum line
Outer grove
Inner grove
Ridge
Gum line
unpublished data). However, most sub-adult males are usually between 130-170 Kg and
females 80-100 Kg.
The body proportions begin to fill up like adult tigers after 20-22 months (S3a, S3b),
the face is close to that of the adult, losing its juvenile proportions as the snout elongates.
Close inspection with binoculars by an experienced observer can still distinguish facial
features of sub-adults from that of adults. The belly of sub-adults is flat and taut (S3a, S3b)
compared to a more rounding of the belly in adults. Skin flap on the belly is missing in sub-
adults. The definitive feature to identify sub-adult tigers from adult tigers is their teeth
observed with binoculars or photographed with a telelens.
In sub-adults the permanent dentition is fully formed, the canines are milk white often
with a pinkish tinge, tips are pointed without any wear, and there are no signs to show a
receding gum line. A prominent ridgeline on the inner side of the canines and a groove on
the outer edge of the canines is clearly visible (S3c, S3d). The nose is usually pink with no
black specks or pigment (S3c, S3d). Facial hair in the form of a short mane below the lower
jaw/ cheek is usually seen even in camera trapped photos of males.
4. YOUNG ADULTS (>3 to 5 years):
By three years most tigers are close to full adult size (S4a, S4b), but continue to
accumulate weight up to 4-4.5 years of age (Sankhala 1978). Adult males range from 200 to
260 kg, while adult females range from 110 to 180 kg showing a pronounced sexual
dimorphism in size (YV Jhala, unpublished data). By this stage, the face is no longer cub like
with full snout and adult skull proportions. Belly gets rounded, often with a slight sag which
increases with age (S4a, S4b). Often a skin fold on the belly begins to show.
Teeth start to turn cream colour to yellowish by three to four years and are no longer
milky white. By five years of age, the yellow canines begin to get brownish stains. The
canine ridge and groves are visible, with little or no wear on teeth (S4c, S4d). The nose is
usually pink, but sometimes a few black specks or pigmentation are seen.
Pregnant and lactating tigress: A heavily pregnant tigress (S4e) can be distinguished from
a fully fed tigress by the visibility of prominent teats and udders. After birth, the belly is
normal with full udders where nipples show signs of intense suckling (S4f). For un-bred
females and early days following first births the nipples are pink in colour (S4g) and become
pigmented, darkened grey and keratinised after cubs suckle intensely. Nipples subsequently
retain this grey coloration throughout life.
5. PRIME ADULTS (>5 to 10 years):
The belly is sagging and rounded, often belly fold is visible (S5a, S5b). Teeth are
brownish-yellow and begin to show wear which is visible on canines (no sharp points but
rounded) and incisors with a binocular or through telephoto photographs (S5c). The canine
ridge is almost indiscernible, and the grove is highly worn out (S5c). Careful inspection
shows a receding gum line on canines, making the canines appear larger (S5d). Black spots
on nose and slightly sagging lips on the lower jaw are often seen.
6. OLD ADULTS (>10 years):
Belly and belly skin fold are sagging; nose shows pigmentation (S6a). Canines and
incisors are worn down, often broken or missing and with dark brown stains (S6b, S6c), Jaw
and lips are often sagging the lips show a fold. Close observation with binoculars/telephoto-
photographs show receded gum-line on worn canines (if any).
Body condition of tigers is usually not a good parameter to use for ageing. Often very old
tigers that have lost their canines can be in poor condition (S7a) but can regain condition with
just a couple of good meals (S7b).
We believe that by using the criteria described above an experienced researcher can age an
adult tiger to its stage accurately with an error margin of about a year, and younger tigers
(sub-adults and juvenile) to about 3-4 months. Cubs can be aged with the accuracy of about a
month by field observations.
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Post by King Kodiak on May 6, 2020 12:52:17 GMT -5
From the above study:
So most 3 year old tigers are close to full adult size.
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Post by brobear on May 7, 2020 6:41:58 GMT -5
So; would you consider 5 years old to be the age of a full grown lion or tiger?
Cub - first 12 months.
Juvenile - from 1 to 2 years old.
Sub-Adult - from 2 to 3 years old.
Young Adult - from 3 to 5 years old.
Prime Adult - from 5 to 10 years old.
OLD - 10+ years.
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Post by King Kodiak on May 7, 2020 7:43:07 GMT -5
I would say closer to 4, but definitely by 4.5, depends on the individual.
Young adults:
By three years most tigers are close to full adult size (S4a, S4b), but continue accumulate weight up to 4-4.5 years of age (Sankhala 1978).
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Post by brobear on May 7, 2020 7:57:02 GMT -5
I would say closer to 4, but definitely by 4.5, depends on the individual.
Young adults:
By three years most tigers are close to full adult size (S4a, S4b), but continue accumulate weight up to 4-4.5 years of age (Sankhala 1978). OK; but since it reads, Prime males from 5 to 10; for sake of no arguments from the kitty squad, we can safely say for certain that a lion or tiger is full grown by age 5. A grizzly is considered a full grown bear by age 9. A lion or tiger becomes an old animal at the age of 10 while the grizzly ( can't say for certain all bears ) is not really an old animal until he reaches 20 but still can have many good years left in him. |
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Post by King Kodiak on May 7, 2020 8:03:20 GMT -5
Well yeah, a prime adult male tiger would be by age 5. A 4 year old tiger might be a full grown adult, but still young.
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Post by brobear on May 8, 2020 14:24:32 GMT -5
CuriosityStream - Age of Big Cats - worth watching.
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Post by King Kodiak on May 17, 2020 10:34:47 GMT -5
ONE RADIO-COLLARED ADULT MALE TIGER DIED DURING AN ATTACK ON A GAUR.
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Post by smedz on May 21, 2020 17:33:03 GMT -5
This is interesting.
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Post by King Kodiak on May 23, 2020 16:19:53 GMT -5
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