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Post by brobear on Mar 13, 2020 11:18:42 GMT -5
Reply #19 - Great find; a tiger killing a gaur cow. Actually, her neck does not appear so thick and musculature. But he did kill the gaur in the same manner as a lion. I would like to know how long the killing actually took. domainofthebears.proboards.com/thread/806/big-cat-pachyderm?page=2 Reply #34 / Reply #36 / Reply #37 *And I might add that a tiger always kills a bear with a bite to the spine at the base of the neck. On the video, notice how once the tiger has the gaur by its throat, there is little if any fight left in the bovine. I see this as a mixture of low intelligence and the fact that the bovine has four legs ( used only for locomotion ). A bear has arms with which he can grapple. I believe that a tiger would find a 2,000 pound gaur to be easier prey than a 1,000 pound grizzly.
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Post by tom on Mar 13, 2020 12:50:00 GMT -5
I think that video shows what may be the preferred way to handle large prey vs a much smaller mammal.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 13, 2020 16:54:30 GMT -5
PERFECT AMBUSH KILL HERE. THE WILD BOAR DIED IN SECONDS.
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Post by brobear on Mar 14, 2020 1:50:56 GMT -5
Much smaller than Russian wild boar. Here again, a bite to the throat.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 20, 2020 6:21:02 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Mar 20, 2020 6:51:43 GMT -5
The Amur tiger dominates the wolf packs. Also, contrary to popular myth, the Bengal tiger dominates the dhole. Look to nature for the truth. www.theguardian.com/environment/radical-conservation/2015/jun/25/dhole-asia-endangered-tiger-ignored ( this site a good read )... quote: An 1807 painting entitled A Tiger Hunted by Wild Dogs that depicts dholes chasing a tiger. Researchers still debate if stories of dholes killing tigers are myth or truth. Illustration: Samuel Howitt Still in debate; meaning no reliable eye-witness accounts. Nothing confirmed.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 20, 2020 7:07:15 GMT -5
The Amur tiger dominates the wolf packs. Also, contrary to popular myth, the Bengal tiger dominates the dhole. Look to nature for the truth. In general, yes, tigers dominate, wolf packs and dholes. But it has been killed, injured, and displaced by dholes also several times on record.
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Post by brobear on Mar 20, 2020 7:42:08 GMT -5
wildfact.com/forum/topic-dholes-cuon-alpinus?page=3 Wolverine: Obviously dholes on that video are trying to irritate the tiger. So, we already have 2 different videos, showing how small packs of dholes briefly encircle tigers. They stay at distance 5-6 meters from the cat. In the moment the tiger rush towards one of the dholes the dhole run away, than the dholes again encircle the tiger until finally all dogs move away. Probably if the tiger is very sick or very old they could dare to attack him but this are only speculations. We still didn't have any video from India showing real attack or bites as we have with spotted hyenas and lions in Africa. Could be observed two extreme opossite opinions about dholes- Kipling and Karanth: 1. According Kipling dhole packs are something like supreme killing machine attacking Indian jungles as avalanche and destroing everything on its way, chasing and killing tigers with some suicidal passion to make heroical victory on the giant cat. 2. According famous Indian biologist Ulios Karanth the dholes are just small dogs who never dare to challenge a tiger and are often killed and hunted by tigers. All that old stories about extreme ferosity of the dholes are just legends and nothing more. Probably the truth is somewhere in between, who knows. Its true that Karanth is biologist while Kipling was not, but in same time Karanth should also not place under suspicion and ignore the observations of Keneth Anderson, who was not less experienced than him in the jungle life.
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Post by brobear on Mar 20, 2020 7:55:11 GMT -5
This topic is debated even by the experts; therefore we have no conclusive answer; only our individual opinions. Here's mine: Quote: According famous Indian biologist Ulios Karanth the dholes are just small dogs who never dare to challenge a tiger and are often killed and hunted by tigers. Dhole have a body length of approximately 90 cms (35 inches), a tail length between 40 and 45 cms (16 - 18 inches) and they weigh between 15 and 20 kgs (33 - 44 lbs). They are reddish/brown in colour with a pale coloured underside and a darker tail. Sorry, but I just can't see a pack of wild coyote-size dogs attacking and killing a healthy Bengal tiger. As a kid, I loved Rudyard Kipling's Jungle Books, but his wonderful tales were not based on facts.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 20, 2020 12:28:27 GMT -5
Just picture this in your head brobear, a large pack of dholes surrounding a tiger. So my question is....what is the nature of the cat?
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Post by smedz on Mar 20, 2020 14:43:24 GMT -5
Just picture this in your head brobear, a large pack of dholes surrounding a tiger. So my question is....what is the nature of the cat? Then in that situation I still can't see the dholes killing the tiger because like Chundawat said, if the tiger felt threatened it would easily escape since they canids aren't big enough to stop one from escaping.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 20, 2020 18:37:44 GMT -5
Just picture this in your head brobear, a large pack of dholes surrounding a tiger. So my question is....what is the nature of the cat? Then in that situation I still can't see the dholes killing the tiger because like Chundawat said, if the tiger felt threatened it would easily escape since they canids aren't big enough to stop one from escaping. Correct. But a sick or weak tiger wont be able to run away, so it could be a sick, weak, or old tiger. Anyhow, this account is from the zoological survey of India. Wild dogs maul healthy tiger and make him run away:
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Post by smedz on Mar 20, 2020 18:42:24 GMT -5
Something I found about Kenneth Anderson.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 20, 2020 18:45:37 GMT -5
Good..so anything related to Kenneth Anderson could be easily BS.
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Post by smedz on Mar 20, 2020 18:51:56 GMT -5
Then in that situation I still can't see the dholes killing the tiger because like Chundawat said, if the tiger felt threatened it would easily escape since they canids aren't big enough to stop one from escaping. Correct. But a sick or weak tiger wont be able to run away, so it could be a sick, weak, or old tiger. Anyhow, this account is from the zoological survey of India. Wild dogs maul healthy tiger and make him run away:
This isn't good evidence because the people involved in this situation didn't actually see the tiger, they only heard it. So that tiger easily could have been (and likely was) a young tiger. What I'm getting at is that we cannot always rely on eyewitness testimony for information, and I know all the trackers believed the accounts to be reliable, but you have to remember that they didn't have cameras or anything like that to document their findings with so in their minds it was like they had to believe them, and even back then there were skeptics such as William Blandford.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 20, 2020 19:01:46 GMT -5
Read the account good. Some local boys were sent to investigate and heard yes, but it also sounds like they saw the fight. Also, the tiger's pugmarks were on the tree and near the chital carcass. The blood of the tiger lead to the forest. This account has alot of details actually. Its obvious that the tiger killed the chital and was displaced by the dholes.
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Post by smedz on Mar 20, 2020 19:33:39 GMT -5
Read the account good. Some local boys were sent to investigate and heard yes, but it also sounds like they saw the fight. Also, the tiger's pugmarks were on the tree and near the chital carcass. The blood of the tiger lead to the forest. This account has alot of details actually. Its obvious that the tiger killed the chital and was displaced by the dholes. Not really, they heard them at a close range and quite frankly one can tell two animals are fighting based on sounds alone. After all, they did hear the sounds of both the tiger's growls and the dholes yaps.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 20, 2020 19:55:45 GMT -5
So what Smedz? Even if they didnt see it, the tiger's pugmarks were all over the place, and the blood trail also, who do you think killed that chital and ran away unseen huh? Who kills chitals and can hide like a ghost? Do the math. Plus they heard the tiger, that is another detail. The account is pretty clear..
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Post by smedz on Mar 20, 2020 20:14:15 GMT -5
So what Smedz? Even if they didnt see it, the tiger's pugmarks were all over the place, and the blood trail also, who do you think killed that chital and ran away unseen huh? Who kills chitals and can hide like a ghost? Do the math. Plus they heard the tiger, that is another detail. The account is pretty clear.. I'm not saying it didn't happen, I'm just saying the tiger was likely a young individual, not an adult in its prime.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 20, 2020 20:19:38 GMT -5
Oh yeah we definitely agree there. Most likely a subadult male or even an adult tigress.
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