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Post by brobear on Jun 21, 2020 6:52:50 GMT -5
I am of the opinion that a big grizz will kill a horse in most cases. From all I've read on this topic, some horse know how to fight, and some do not. A stallion in good health who knows how to fight is no easy kill for any one predator face-to-face. Especially a wild stallion like a mustang. Those guys get experience from fighting with each other. A horse can kick hard with all fours hoofs, and he is accurate with them. If a grizzly has a 50-50 chance against a wild stallion, thumbs-up to the bear. But grizzlies were notorious horse killers during the 19th century. They also ambushed and killed wild mustangs at "water holes". ( Historical Grizzly - page #2 ).
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Post by BruteStrength on Jun 21, 2020 14:09:09 GMT -5
I agree Brobear I just favor the bear because there are accounts of even pitbulls killing horses. I forget if these were male stallions or not.
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Post by brobear on May 19, 2021 7:01:42 GMT -5
A few of those books I've read concerning "the historic grizzly" of 19th century N. America, tells of grizzlies walking onto a farm or ranch, passing by sheep, cattle, and other livestock to kill a donkey. It soon became a well-known fact to those early settlers that donkey meat was a selected prize for a grizzly. The only domesticated animal preferred over the donkey were hogs. A simple fact: bears love pork. I would advise any or all bear enthusiasts to read some of those books concerning the grizzly of the Old West. This way, you can prove me right.
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Post by brobear on May 19, 2021 7:39:24 GMT -5
Notorious Grizzly Bears - 1960 - Grizzly Bears of New Mexico. New Mexico Grizzlies. Another prominent New Mexico outlaw grizzly was known as the Raider. He ranged between the Saddle and Moggolan Mountains near the present town of Reserve during the years between 1877 and 1881. He destroyed many cattle and gained notoriety because of his night raids on grazing horses and mules belonging to freight-wagon caravans. Freight line stock was constantly close herded by the teamsters and mule skinners for fear of surprise attacks by Indians or Mexicans. The grizzly invaded them regardless of the presence of man. On such an occasion, he was shot by two Mexican teamsters. The next morning his body was found a short distance away. Wicks and Hickman of San Antonio, Texas, a large, long-distance freighting company, through their agent at Las Cruces, New Mexico, paid $200 to the two men for Raiders destruction. Several stockmen contributed $250 more. Quote: He destroyed many cattle and gained notoriety because of his night raids on grazing horses and mules belonging to freight-wagon caravans.
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Post by brobear on May 19, 2021 8:02:04 GMT -5
Continued.... Nevada. Nevada had two outlaw grizzlies. One ranged in the southern part of the state along the Eldorado Mountains near the north rim of the Grand Canyon, just south of Searchlight, Nevada. In 1895 this area, as now, was sparsely populated, but the grizzly raided roaming flocks of sheep and herds of cattle whenever they entered his domain. He killed many deer, mustangs, and some bighorns. The Paiute Indians named him 'The-Evil-Spirit-Bear-Who-Lives-In-The-Rocks' and told many tales about him. It seems an Indian, while hunting on the rocky ledges of the Colorado River Canyon, was killed by the bear. The stockmen called the bear 'Paiute'. He was brought down by a party of mustang runners in 1899 at a chance meeting. They collected #225 which had been placed on his head. Quote: He killed many deer, mustangs, and some bighorns.
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Post by brobear on May 19, 2021 8:04:12 GMT -5
Continued.... At the other end of the state, Just north of the Bull Run Mountains, lies the Western Shoshone Indian Reservation. Between the Bruneau and the Owyhee River to the south, lies a wild, broken country of gashed land comprising part of the Owyhee River breaks. In 1898, and for several years before and after, this area was the hideout and rendezvous for gangs of rustlers who stole cattle and horses from stockmen in Idaho, Nevada, and Oregon. It was also the home of Slaughterhouse, a stock-killing grizzly that had nomadic tendencies. During the long, hot summer months, the creeks and rivers of this area dry up leaving but few water holes. The bear spent much of his time around these water holes, preying upon bands of wild burros and wild horses that inhabited the breaks, as they came to water. Several times the grizzly was "jumped" and shot at near watering spots. On one occasion he was known to have been injured. Quote: The bear spent much of his time around these water holes, preying upon bands of wild burros and wild horses that inhabited the breaks, as they came to water.
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Post by brobear on May 19, 2021 8:47:05 GMT -5
Continued.... How many wild burros and wild horses this outlaw destroyed in the break country will never be known. From reports it can be safely assumed the number ran over one hundred head. If an accurate record of all of Slaughterhouse's kills were known, there is little doubt that it would place him as the most destructive outlaw grizzly of them all. He was generally unknown and unheard of because of his remote range in the breaks. Bounties totalling $523 were collected by Foley from cattle and sheep men. The latter contributing the most because Slaughterhouse was decidedly a sheep-killer. Quote: How many wild burros and wild horses this outlaw destroyed in the break country will never be known.
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Post by brobear on May 19, 2021 9:13:16 GMT -5
Scroll over to - Brown Bears - Historical Grizzly - and you will find a huge amount of historical events of grizzlies killing cattle ( including big bulls ), horses and donkeys ( both feral and domesticated ).
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Post by Montezuma on May 21, 2021 16:50:28 GMT -5
I will mostly bet for the bear. Its a predator and horse is a prey. Its teeth, claws, strength, mauling vs kicks and agility.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2021 4:18:57 GMT -5
Bear defenitely. If grizzly vs horse
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