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Post by brobear on May 16, 2021 12:38:52 GMT -5
Reply #11 - BIG HIMALAYAN BLACK BEAR DISPLACED A BIG MALE TIGER FROM ITS KILL. WITNESSED BY THE FAMOUS HUNTER AND NATURALIST JIM CORBETT. Jim Corbett is in the jungles of India. It speaks of the sambar deer and the langur monkey. It speaks of the jungle. Yes, this event happened in India, it was a Bengal tiger.And; it was not a Himalayan black bear.
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Post by King Kodiak on May 16, 2021 12:42:34 GMT -5
What are you talking about brobear? Yes it was a Himalayan black bear. They range in Northern India:
The Himalayan black bear (Ursus thibetanus laniger) is a subspecies of the Asian black bear found in the Himalayas of India, Bhutan, Nepal, China, and Pakistan.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Himalayan_black_bear
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Post by King Kodiak on May 16, 2021 12:49:27 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on May 16, 2021 12:54:15 GMT -5
Quote: This is the Himalayan black bear "normal year round range", but depending on what time of year it is, they travel all the way North to Russia, or down to Northern India: *However, they never leave the mountains.
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Post by King Kodiak on May 16, 2021 13:02:24 GMT -5
Mostly mountains, but jungles also: tropical forest:
HABITAT Himalayan black bears are scattered across the Himalayas from Bhutan to Pakistan. They are most populous in mountainous areas and jungles.
During the summer, Himalayan black bears can be found in warmer areas in Nepal, China, Russia, and Tibet at altitudes of 10,000 to 12,000 feet up near the timberline. For winter, they descend as low as 5,000 to more tropical forests.
www.bearsoftheworld.net/himalayan_black_bears.asp
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Post by Montezuma on May 25, 2021 18:38:37 GMT -5
I was thinking a thing (may be wrong) that to those bears to whom tigers pose a threat have a v mark on their chest. This topic has been discussed but i want to clarify that if brown bears are posed threat by tigers so why did not brown bears in amur region have such chest marks. Tigers attack sloth bear. The bear has the mark. Tigers attack sun bears. The bear has the mark. Tigers attack black bears. The bear has the mark. So why does not the brown bear have the same mark on the chest? It proves that tigers do not pose threat to brown bears.
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Post by brobear on May 26, 2021 4:20:58 GMT -5
I was thinking a thing (may be wrong) that to those bears to whom tigers pose a threat have a v mark on their chest. This topic has been discussed but i want to clarify that if brown bears are posed threat by tigers so why did not brown bears in amur region have such chest marks. Tigers attack sloth bear. The bear has the mark. Tigers attack sun bears. The bear has the mark. Tigers attack black bears. The bear has the mark. So why does not the brown bear have the same mark on the chest? It proves that tigers do not pose threat to brown bears. This is the truth, just as you tell it Montezuma. If you look at brown bear cubs, on some of them the mark is still visible; like the spots on lion cubs from their early forest-dwelling ancestors. You can also occasionally see the mark on an American black bear from his Pleistocene past. A tiger has no desire to fight any full-grown bear face-to-face; especially the males. The mark on the chest is a sign that reads, "I can see you."
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Post by Montezuma on May 27, 2021 14:21:56 GMT -5
I think that the maximum amount if bear ever in tiger's diet is 18%. I do not think that sloth bears and also black bears have to fear tigers in their area as tiger rarely preys on them. To be honest, i think that tiger and black bear benefit a little from each others presence i.e. tiger will sometimes kill and eat a young black bear while a fully-grown male black bear would rarely drive away a tiger from its kill. Further, Jim corbbert himself said that the himalayan bear fears nothing. I also read on wikipedia that a black bear above 5 years is most immunw from tiger's predation.
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Post by King Kodiak on May 27, 2021 15:42:30 GMT -5
That's correct buddy. Nothing, absolutely nothing.
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Post by Montezuma on Jun 5, 2021 17:38:15 GMT -5
Black bear can defeat a tiger in a fight.
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Post by brobear on Jun 5, 2021 17:41:22 GMT -5
Reply #104
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Post by King Kodiak on Jun 5, 2021 18:04:01 GMT -5
Where does it say "black" bear though?
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Post by Montezuma on Jun 5, 2021 18:12:11 GMT -5
Where does it say "black" bear though? Oh sorry i posted the wrong photo. Wait. I will post the right one.
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Post by Montezuma on Jun 5, 2021 18:14:13 GMT -5
Book: Bears
"Himlayan black bear can defeat a tiger in a fair fight."
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Post by brobear on Jun 5, 2021 18:21:06 GMT -5
Montezuma, you need to learn how to post pictures.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jun 5, 2021 18:30:03 GMT -5
Definitely can.
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Post by Montezuma on Jun 5, 2021 18:31:26 GMT -5
Thats why tiger rarely kills only subadult and females in ambush or in hibenation.
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Post by brobear on Jun 7, 2021 5:33:40 GMT -5
wildfact.com/forum/topic-maximum-size-of-prey-that-a-single-male-lion-or-tiger-can-kill By Peter: Tigers and bears Most posters are fascinated by large animals killed by much smaller specialists like big cats, but only few seem to appreciate a tiger able to kill a robust and agile animal like a bear. Strange, as even a smallish adult brown bear is a powerful animal well capable of killing a male tiger. It takes a lot of skill to overcome even a small bear. Some male Amur tigers hunt female brown bears every now and then. It is an ability that isn't really appreciated. Remember the video of Matkasur and the female sloth bear less than half his weight? I've seen a number of videos of Matkasur from up close. He's a splendid male tiger similar in size to an average male Amur tiger or better. In spite of that, he wasn't able to kill a very modestly-sized female sloth bear, whereas Russian specialists not seldom kill female brown bears twice her weight. I'm not saying his aim was to kill her, but Matkasur wasted a lot of energy struggling an animal he could have convinced in another way. He was, after all, a prime male tiger more than twice her weight. The video underlines the conclusion that sloth bears are not easy to kill, even when they're only half the weight of a tiger. When the bear is over 220 pounds or thereabout, an ambush and a bite to the back of the skull aren't going to produce quick results. Not unless the tiger is a specialist. The tiger often has no other option but to face the bear, meaning the fight can be dangerous. Bears, more robust than tigers, can take a lot of damage. This isn't true for tigers, as they're full-time hunters. If there's one thing a true hunter wants to avoid, it's extra weight. If a hunter is injured, he'll pay. If a bear is injured, he'll visit another tiger kill. These tiger kills, by the way, are the reason tigers meet bears and learn to engage them. If they survive their first fights, chances are they'll continue in the bear department. When they gain experience, tigers progress from youngsters to adults. Including, as we've seen in rhinos and elephants, adult males. Happens very seldom, but it happens. Not so in bears and this should tell you something. I've yet to read a reliable report about an adult male Himalayan bear killed by a tiger in India, Nepal, Myanmar and Vietnam. It is, therefore, remarkable that Amur tigers hunt (larger) brown bears in the Russian Far East. They avoid adult males, but adult females and young males up to about 4-5 years of age are on the menu. In some seasons and regions, bears are an important food item. More important than red deer, for example. Some posters argued the results of research confirming bears are an important source of food were pollluted by smallish samples and the presence of bear specialists, but Miquelle and others recently concluded they could have been wrong regarding tigers and bears in the Russian Far East. Amur tigers, for obvious reasons, are not as large and heavy as half a century ago. Males averaged about 389 pounds in a document published in 2005. But the table was polluted to a degree and the conditions in the Russian Far East are improving. The number of tigers is increasing and I've seen quite a few recent pictures and videos of large male Amur tigers in very good health. My guess is those interested in tigers and bears could be in for a few surprises in the near future.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jun 7, 2021 6:55:21 GMT -5
Reply #112:
Yeah, we have seen that post before. That is why i always use this phrase here:
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Post by brobear on Aug 19, 2021 14:12:31 GMT -5
translate.google.com/translate?sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://news.chinaxiaokang.com/shehuipindao/shehui/20201027/1067155_1.html Xiaoxinganling found evidence of Siberian tiger eating bears for the first time! Precious image of Siberian tiger eating bear reveals that black bear's abdomen and front part of the neck were eaten by tigers lying on site The Siberian tiger is known as the "King of the Jungle" and is a world-class endangered species. It was once widely distributed in Northeast my country. At the beginning of the 20th century, only a small number of them were distributed in the Xiaoxing'anling and Changbai Mountains. In the scientific investigation in the 1980s, the Siberian tiger was declared extinct in the Xiaoxinganling area. In recent years, with the continuous advancement of ecological protection and restoration work, Xiaoxing'anling has reproduced the scene of "Tiger Howling Mountain Forest". Taipinggou Nature Reserve in Heilongjiang Province is an area where a variety of large and medium-sized beasts, including brown bears and black bears, are concentrated in my country. In recent years, many Siberian tigers have crossed the river from Russia across the river into the Taiping Gully, making the food chain in the reserve more complicated. In this area where a variety of top carnivores are concentrated, with the arrival of the "king of the jungle" Siberian tiger, the original food chain of the forest area has also undergone natural succession adjustments. With the continuous in-depth investigation of animal populations in the ditch, many rare phenomena have also been photographed. Scientific experiments realize the identification of individual black bears for the first time On the screen, a simple and honest black bear is standing upright like a human being, chasing food hanging on the rope with his mouth. During this process, the white pattern on their chests was clearly exposed in the infrared camera lens. This is an experiment of individual identification of black bears conducted by scientific researchers. It is understood that due to the lack of patterns on the surface of black bears that facilitate individual identification, the white patterns on their chests become the only reference that can distinguish individuals. In order to induce them to reveal the patterns on their chests, researchers designed the above experimental program. This extremely cooperative bear is also very popular among scientific researchers. However, shortly afterwards, this cute little bear was hunted and killed by the Siberian tiger and most of it was eaten. Zhang Yingxiang, Taipinggou National Nature Reserve Administration, Heilongjiang: That bear is actually quite a pity, because when we were doing special surveys on black bears and brown bears, there was a bear at this location that was very smart, so our experts called it the world’s most intelligent bear. A smart bear. It is when we experiment with it, it can climb the tree and follow our rope, just like a human command, it is very smart and can catch that food. But the laws of nature can't escape, the weak eat the strong. Tiger eating bear incident tracking Apart from pitying the little bears, the incident of tigers eating bears also aroused the attention of experts. It is understood that black bears are beasts of nature and rarely encounter natural enemies. Prior to this, there was no video record of black bears being hunted by other animals in China. Liu Fang, Associate Researcher of the Chinese Academy of Forestry: Judging from the situation in our country, there is no conclusive evidence that tigers eat black bears in other regions. This is the first time it has been discovered in China. Professor Lu Zhi from Peking University, who has been doing animal research for many years, also said that this is the first time he has heard of it. Professor Lu Zhi, Peking University School of Life Sciences: I have never heard of tigers eating live bears. This is the first time I have heard of it. The reporter conducted further investigations into the tiger eating bear incident. Liu Yanlin was the person who witnessed this process. On the day of the incident, when they were conducting a special study of cats in the woodland, they found tiger footprints on the ground and followed them all the way, hoping to make new discoveries. Liu Yanlin, Heilongjiang Taipinggou National Reserve Management Bureau: We rushed over, and the bear’s abdomen and neck were eaten by the tiger, and the meat was still steaming. The accompanying Zhang Yingxiang and Su Quanyong still felt terrified when they talked about the scene at that time.
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