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Post by brobear on Feb 11, 2020 4:23:10 GMT -5
During my "AVA" years ( a now dead animal vs animal blog site ), there was at that time only one event of a polar bear killing a mature bull walrus caught on camera; and that by a Russian biologist. But consider.... how often is there a man with a camera around when a polar bear kills a walrus?
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 11, 2020 6:18:58 GMT -5
During my "AVA" years ( a now dead animal vs animal blog site ), there was at that time only one event of a polar bear killing a mature bull walrus caught on camera; and that by a Russian biologist. But consider.... how often is there a man with a camera around when a polar bear kills a walrus? |
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Post by brobear on Feb 11, 2020 6:45:21 GMT -5
Yes; good stuff including the Russian video. Consider too, after the polar bear kills the bull walrus, while standing on slippery ice, the bear drags the heavy carcass up out of the sea onto the ice. A great show of strength.
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Post by brobear on Feb 11, 2020 6:54:18 GMT -5
shaggygod.proboards.com/thread/15/predation-polar-bears-adult-walrus?page=1 Walruses that overwinter in an area with restricted access to water become potentially vulnerable to predation by polar bears. Three observations support this. On 19 April 1976 one of us (HPLK) found two walruses that apparently had been killed by polar bears. One was an adult female 22+ years old (289 cm long, estimated weight 400+ kg). There was blood on top of her frozen over haul-out hole, indicating that she might have been frozen out when the bear attacked. The other walrus (unsexed) was just under 2 years old (243 cm long, estimated weight 270 kg). A blood trail indicated that it had been captured beside or in a 60 cm wide channel that went around the circumference of a 25 to 30 m diameter grounded iceberg. Examination showed that both walruses had large numbers of sharp deep punctures about their heads which could only have been made by bear claws, suggesting that they may have been killed by multiple blows. Soper (1928) quotes a report by Hantzch of a large bear in the vicinity of Kikerten Islands, Cumberland Gulf, attacking three walruses and killing a large male which it tore extensively about the head. Akpaleeapik, a Grise Fiord Eskimo, also informed us of a walrus that a polar bear killed with a blow in the head as it surfaced to breathe through a hole in the ice. On 29 April 1976 Mr. Tai-Ho of Klondike Helicopters tracked a polar bear to a walrus that he estimated to be less than 3 m long with tusks 20 to 25 cm long. Tracks and blood in the snow around the walrus's breathing hole (1 to 1.5 m diameter) indicated a fight had taken place very recently. The walrus was covered with blood and one tusk was broken. Despite a careful search, no bear tracks leading away from the site were found, suggesting that the bear may have been killed and sunk in the water. Freuchen (1935) reported finding a polar bear that had been killed by a walrus, and Perry (1966) summarizes similar observations from the journals of early arctic explorers. Although predation by bears is likely not of any significance to the walrus population as a whole (Mansfield, 1958; Loughrey, 1959) such encounters may be more frequent than previously seemed apparent. H. P. L. Kiliaan and Ian Stirling, Observations on Overwintering Walruses in the Eastern Canadian High Arctic. Journal of Mammalogy Vol. 59, No. 1 (Feb., 1978), pp. 197-200.
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Post by brobear on Feb 11, 2020 6:55:11 GMT -5
Sometimes, polar bears are killed in confrontations with walruses: The polar bear and walrus, traditional rivals, occasionally come in contact while feeding on whale carcasses or while killing seals. If a walrus is in the water, a polar bear will not enter. The walrus is the only polar animal that the bear really fears. Reaching fifteen feet in length and weighing as much as one and a half tons, the walrus is more than a formidable adversary. If the two animals encounter each other on land, the polar bear will have an edge. When they meet each other in the water, the walrus has been known to grab the polar bear from below and, using his ivory tusks, which often grow more than thirty inches in length, to stab the bear in the back, driving the tusks to the hilt. The carcasses of polar bears and walruses have been found coupled in this manner. Koch, T.J. 1975 The Year of the Polar Bear p. 81. An adult walrus is not easy prey even for the mighty polar bear. © Nikita Ovsayanikov ![]()  |
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Post by tom on Feb 11, 2020 13:57:03 GMT -5
During my "AVA" years ( a now dead animal vs animal blog site ), there was at that time only one event of a polar bear killing a mature bull walrus caught on camera; and that by a Russian biologist. But consider.... how often is there a man with a camera around when a polar bear kills a walrus? Yes that video has been around for some time. The video shows a Polar bear dragging a Walrus out of the sea onto the ice. If you look closely however, you will see this is NOT a large Walrus and likely a young bull or sub adult. A fully mature Bull Walrus would be considerably larger. Still.... a magnificent show of strength on the part of the Polar bear. |
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Post by tom on Feb 11, 2020 14:06:14 GMT -5
In this shocking video clip Walrus's are seen falling off a 250 ft cliff to their death. This was part of a Netflix special narrated by David Attenborough. Hundreds of Walrus's fell to there death. Netflix claims they were climbing the cliffs due to the shrinking ice but zoologists stated they were being chased by Polar Bears... Is it too far of a stretch to think the Bears were purposely do this only to feed on the remains at the bottom? Thoughts? www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6900011/Netflix-Walruses-fell-deaths-chased-polar-bears-NOT-climate-change.html |
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Post by brobear on Feb 11, 2020 14:21:47 GMT -5
Is it too far of a stretch to think the Bears were purposely do this only to feed on the remains at the bottom?
Bears do possess that higher strategy ability ( IMO ). I would not think them too "tender-hearted" to carry out such a plan. But never-the-less; theory.
Anyone who thinks to condemn polar bears for such a strategy; our ancestors used to run bison and mammoths off cliffs using fire to frighten them over the edge.
Quote from site: Polar bears were said to have chased the walruses off the cliff, but this claim was disputed by the filmmakers who stood by the footage.
Never-the-less; it just might remain possible that a bear might think of this... ( not that I would wish it so ).
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Post by tom on Feb 11, 2020 16:07:44 GMT -5
I'm a little skeptical of what the film crew is saying. It would be hard to imagine that eyesight was the cause for them to be attempting to scale what seemingly looks like a sheer cliff, let alone jumping to their death for no reason. They had to have had another way up to the top as no walrus is capable of scaling that rocky ledge... On top of that, all video footage is from below so there is no evidence to what was happening at the top.
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 11, 2020 17:19:24 GMT -5
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Post by tom on Feb 11, 2020 17:27:27 GMT -5
No it wasn't Attenborough who was stating that it was a zoologists or zoologists that claimed they were being chased off by Polar Bears. This was filmed in Russia. The film crew is claiming it was the Walrus's poor eyesight for not being able to determine how high they were and I'm claiming BS on that. Anyhow, how does a bull walrus scale a rocky cliff like that? They must have had another route to the top and also there is no video footage that I'm aware of showing what was going on at the actual top, only from below. |
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 11, 2020 17:36:54 GMT -5
That news is kind of confusing. So you believe they were being chased by polar bear correct? Walruses do have poor eyesight but i really dont see all those walrus falling because of that. You are right, why didnt they take the footage from the top?
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Post by brobear on Sept 7, 2020 2:44:44 GMT -5
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 7, 2020 4:27:21 GMT -5
Reply #52, Walrus Attacks and Sinks Russian Navy Boat, that's crazy bro, damn.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Sept 7, 2020 23:31:24 GMT -5
The walrus is more dangerous than people give them credit for.
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Post by brobear on Sept 8, 2020 0:28:39 GMT -5
The walrus is more dangerous than people give them credit for. From Reply #27: Last I checked, we have no official record of an Orca ever killing a polar bear. Jacques-Yves Cousteau once witnessed an Orca attack a bull walrus. He told of a long bloody battle. It appeared that the Orca killed the walrus in the end, but he also stated that quite possibly the Orca would not survive the wounds inflicted by the walrus. |
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Sept 8, 2020 0:35:29 GMT -5
I am not sure how long a walrus can survive a battle with an orca considering even the larger and stronger elephant seal is afraid of the largest member of the dolphin family.
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Post by brobear on Sept 8, 2020 0:39:36 GMT -5
I am not sure how long a walrus can survive a battle with an orca considering even the larger and stronger elephant seal is afraid of the largest member of the dolphin family. The walrus is better armed than an elephant seal; as at least one Orca had discovered.  |
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Sept 8, 2020 0:44:08 GMT -5
The walrus often fight each other but death is rare as their vitals are protected by thick blubber and hide. I doubt they can kill an elephant seal easily considering death is rare in a walrus vs walrus match.
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Post by brobear on Sept 8, 2020 1:21:32 GMT -5
The walrus often fight each other but death is rare as their vitals are protected by thick blubber and hide. I doubt they can kill an elephant seal easily considering death is rare in a walrus vs walrus match. Nevertheless, according to Jacques-Yves Cousteau ( the top authority on sea life at the time ) stated that whether or not the orca would survive the wounds inflicted by the walrus was questionable.  |
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