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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 19, 2020 6:28:08 GMT -5
No, but it should be exactly the same as "California grizzly" that me and brobear read. So its just not worth it. All you will read is "hunter killed 50 bears" or "hunter trapped and killed 78 bears" or "150 bears were poisoned", i mean its crazy and it gets boring. Its basically the same as the book i am reading now "The grizzly in the southwest", its all about the killing of bears and how they went extinct.
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Post by brobear on Apr 23, 2020 5:08:00 GMT -5
www.indigenouspeople.net/bear.htm Native American Bear Stories mong the Pueblo tribes, bears are considered one of the six directional guardians, associated with the west and the color blue. The Zunis ascribe healing powers to bears and carve stone bear fetishes to protect them and bring them luck. A bear's claw was one of the talismans frequently included in medicine bundles, and warriors in some tribes wore necklaces of bear claws to bring them power and strength. There were also many taboos regarding bears in different Native American tribes-- the use of hunting seasons (to avoid killing mother bears with their cubs) was the most common, but in some tribes, it was considered disrespectful and dangerous to insult bears, step on their scat, or even utter their names outside of certain ritual contexts. Among the Innu, it was taboo for children or unmarried women to eat bear meat, and some Apache tribes did not eat bears at all. In folklore, Bear is often portrayed either as a sort of enforcer figure who punishes disrespectful or improper behavior among other animals and people, or as a humorless "straight man" for weaker but cleverer trickster characters to play against. Bear personalities in these stories range from wise and noble, to morally upright but somewhat stupid and gullible, to aggressive and intimidating, but in most cases, they do not bother people who have not done anything wrong. (There are a few exceptions to this-- in some tribes, such as the Cherokee, bears are sometimes portrayed as violent enemies of humans, although they are still an important clan animal to the Cherokees. Some tribes also tell stories about monsters resembling man-eating bears the size of elephants, which prey on innocent people and must be slain by heroes.) The devoted maternal behavior of female bears is often noted in folktales, with mother bears sacrificing themselves for their cubs or adopting human children. Bears are also one of the most important and widespread clan animals in Native American cultures. Tribes with Bear Clans include the Creek (whose Bear Clan is named Nokosalgi or Nokosvlke,) the Chippewa (whose Bear Clan and its totem are called Nooke,) Algonquian tribes such as the Mi'kmaq and Menominee, the Huron and Iroquois tribes, Plains tribes such as the Caddo and Osage, the Hopi (whose Bear Clan is called Honngyam or Hona-wungwa), the Navajo and Pueblo tribes of New Mexico, and Northwest Coast tribes such as the Tlingit, Tsimshian, Nisgaa-Gitksan, and Salishan tribes. Bear was an important clan crest on the Northwest Coast and can often be found carved on totem poles. And many eastern tribes, such as the Caddo, Lenape, and Iroquois, have a Bear Dance among their tribal dance traditions.
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Post by brobear on Apr 23, 2020 6:23:50 GMT -5
Gandolf and Beorn:
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Post by brobear on Apr 26, 2020 7:11:30 GMT -5
The Latvian legendary hero Lāčplēsis kills a bear with his bare hands:
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Post by tom on Jun 1, 2020 14:19:35 GMT -5
I put this in the legends thread as big Van is kind of a legendary Bear. For those who don't know what I'm talking about this is an update on Van a coastal Alaskan Brown Bear and star of the award winning documentary "The Great Bear Stakeout". He was rarely challenged in his prime and ruled his domain for a long time. I read somewhere that he may be close to 10 ft. tall and likely weighed quite a bit north of 1000 lbs in his prime. He's starting to show his age which is estimated to be 20 years old. By the looks of him now I can't imagine the fights he must have been involved in... He's one badazz lookin bear! Here's a somewhat current update (dated 2019) on Van. www.alaskabearsandwolves.com/van-is-back-first-day-of-bear-season-katmai-2019/An update from Buck on some of the other Bears from Great Bear Stakeout. www.buckwildepresents.com/blog/2013/07/30/great-bear-stakeout-van-still-the-man/These are recent pictures I guess from the article. Below is a pic of Van from 3 years ago
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Post by brobear on Jun 1, 2020 16:15:23 GMT -5
Van is like an old Viking warrior king. His time as the "Boss of the Woods" is behind him. He will go down fighting; but he will go down. Question is, who will replace him? Nice post Tom; and certainly fitting as a myth and legend.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jun 1, 2020 19:58:27 GMT -5
Van still looks mascular and strong. He will eventually be killed by a younger male but not without a fight.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jun 2, 2020 9:11:52 GMT -5
Van still looks mascular and strong. He will eventually be killed by a younger male but not without a fight. Hope he lives until at least 30 years of age, that is what healthy brown bears can reach in the wild.
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Post by brobear on Jun 2, 2020 9:37:11 GMT -5
Van still looks mascular and strong. He will eventually be killed by a younger male but not without a fight. Hope he lives until at least 30 years of age, that is what healthy brown bears can reach in the wild.
Van has lived the hard life of a real "Boss of the Woods", a battled scared old Viking who has been in too many battles. He will be very lucky to see another 5 years; if he lives to be 25. I predict that Old Van will lose his next big fight. He reminds me of the Undertaker. I just hope that he survives his next big fight and has the good sense to stay out of fights after that one. BigBonns once stated that some of those old bears fight more fights in their lives than any lion in Africa. Those fights are less often to the death, but every bit as brutal. Big cat fans enjoy talking about the bear's lack of ability to kill. Fact is, when a bear fights, he has no concern if you are dead or not. He fights you; he punishes you, he takes the fight out of you. That's all that matters to a bear. I will also note: a grizzly can survive a battering that would kill any big cat.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jun 2, 2020 9:47:40 GMT -5
That is a very good post brobear. And i agree with everything you said. Van is probably in my top 5 favorite individual bears of all time, so i am just hoping he lives as much as possible. If he dies fighting another bear or of natural causes, well that is just the normal cycle in the wild. I just hope a hunter not do his thing.
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Post by brobear on Jun 2, 2020 10:18:17 GMT -5
I wish I could locate another old post from BigBonns ( or better yet have him here )... he told of a big boss bear who was so feared by the other bears, that after he finally lost the battle to old age, all the remaining bears, even the biggest boars were still afraid of his dead body. He was not cannibalized.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jun 2, 2020 10:39:02 GMT -5
I wish I could locate another old post from BigBonns ( or better yet have him here )... he told of a big boss bear who was so feared by the other bears, that after he finally lost the battle to old age, all the remaining bears, even the biggest boars were still afraid of his dead body. He was not cannibalized. Really? Wow thats an awesome story. I would love to know more for sure.
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Post by tom on Jun 2, 2020 10:49:37 GMT -5
IMO it's very possible that Van could lose a vicious fight to a younger stronger male. However, it could also be possible that the once boss will just yield to the younger, stronger males and simply die of old age. He may have to give up the best fishing spots and be one of the last to hibernate because he was not able to put on enough weight. Either way father time will catch up to him one way or the other.
IMO a dominant Bear like Van who dominated for so long does not come along all that often. He was a special Bear. Oh !! and you remember his one time sweetheart Alice? The last I heard she became a mother with cubs of her own (possibly from Van).
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Post by brobear on Jun 2, 2020 16:27:04 GMT -5
Quote: IMO a dominant Bear like Van who dominated for so long does not come along all that often. He was a special Bear. Oh !! and you remember his one time sweetheart Alice? The last I heard she became a mother with cubs of her own (possibly from Van). *I really hope that she has a few Van juniors... and a few big healthy girls too.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jun 3, 2020 2:26:31 GMT -5
Van being the dominant male would most likely sire plenty of offspring which takes after their father.
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Post by tom on Jun 4, 2020 12:19:51 GMT -5
We'll... at least 50% of their father, remember the sow will contribute the other 50%. In the case of Van and Alice. If in fact Alice had Van's cubs and since both Van and Alice were dominant adults then there's a decent chance that some or all of those cubs that survive could in fact have that dominant gene. I'm speculating of course. However, Alice was considered a dominant female from the documentary and of course we all know what Van represented. I hope more comes out on Van as he nears the end of his life and of Alice and her cubs.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jun 5, 2020 0:11:49 GMT -5
A cub which inherits both a combination Vans and Alice genes would no doubt dominate. Sometimes a child takes mainly after their father and very little of their mother and vice versa.
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Post by brobear on Jun 5, 2020 12:44:27 GMT -5
It's a shame we couldn't have slipped Bart the Bear in there for a "Spring Break" weekend. Grizzly Years by Doug Peacock. I learned to distinguish the personalities of about fifteen individual grizzlies. The animals formed a social hierarchy with a huge brown grizzly, the alpha male, at the top. When he arrived at the feeding site, all other bears scattered. Otherwise, the bears fed together without a great deal of conflict.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jun 6, 2020 5:20:41 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Jun 9, 2020 13:38:07 GMT -5
sokaogonchippewa.com/the-northwoods-a-perfect-home-for-black-bear/ The Northwoods: A Perfect Home for Black Bear - By: Richard D. Ackley, Jr. Posted on: June 6, 2019 “The black bear is viewed as both a symbol of Wisconsin’s wildness and as choice prey. Seeing a black bear in the wild is an exciting experience for many and an equal thrill for those who prize the black bear as a big game species.” – from the Wisconsin DNR website. The Woodland Indians, especially the Ojibwe (Chippewa) people indigenous to Wisconsin’s north woods, also highly regard the black bear, not only as game, but as a key figure in its culture. The black bear is called “Makwa” in the Ojibwe language and is one of the seven clans. The bear remains an important part of tradition for ceremonial and religious purposes with strong ties to the Anishinaabe (original man) mythology. According to the 1885 publication The History of the Ojibways by William Warren, by Ojibwe tradition there were originally six human beings that came out of the sea to live among Ojibwe. The six beings were Wawaazisii (Bullhead), Ajejauk (Crane), Makwa (Bear), Moosance (Little Moose), Waabizheshi (Marten), and Bineshii (Thunderbird), and created the original grand families, called dodem or clans. In addition, clan symbols appear in ancient birch bark scrolls and treaty documents of centuries ago. The clan system operated as a form of government, a method of organizing work, and a way of defining the responsibilities of each community member. Working together, the clans attended to the physical, intellectual, psychological, and spiritual needs of the community. Each was known by its totem (animal emblem). While each clan differs, all are considered equal. The largest grand family group was the Bear (Makwa). Bear Clan members were war chiefs and warriors and were known for their thick black hair that never whitened even in old age. Long ago, warriors fought to defend their village or hunting territory with the tenacity of the black bear. They became known as master strategists in planning the defense of their people, and as healers.
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