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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 27, 2018 14:44:45 GMT -5
Yeah i have seen that clip before Tom, the bear really got him good there. Ferocious. I was just being sarcastic, bad idea, ha ha ha.
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Post by tom on Oct 27, 2018 14:54:49 GMT -5
I know you were....
All this bear attack info on what to do, what not to do, who really knows what would happen unless you're actually put into that situation. It's easy to say I would do this or I would do that. However, when Sh*t hits the fan and you're facing a Grizzly in full charge your primal instincts usually take over.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 27, 2018 17:32:13 GMT -5
Yeah absolutely Tom, we really dont know how we would react to this situation in real life.
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Post by brobear on Oct 28, 2018 3:03:10 GMT -5
wildfact.com/forum/ By Shadow: Here, once again an example, that when meeting a bear, staying calm and remembering instructions can make the difference. Last monday (22.10.2018) a finnish 12 years old girl met a bear on the way home from school. She was left by school bus to place, from where she then walks a little bit under 1 km to home. When walking home she suddenly noticed a bear nearby. She lied down to ground in fetal position and put her hands to cover her neck. Bear came to her, sniffed and then pushed her a little bit to her back. After some minutes bear went away. Girl was totally unharmed, but naturally somewhat upset. Still her father tells, that overall girl seems to have taken situation quite good. Officials and wildlife experts visited place also after they were informed about what had happened. This link is in finnish, so most here don´t understand too much and google translator is in big trouble with finnish language, but just that you can see, that this really happened www.iltalehti.fi/kotimaa/dbab1a7...6_u0.shtmlPs. place is 25 km west from city of Jyväskylä.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 28, 2018 5:12:43 GMT -5
A 12 year old girl that knew the instructions, thats awesome, they must teach them in school there in Finland.
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Post by brobear on Mar 7, 2019 16:48:06 GMT -5
www.adventure-journal.com/2019/03/actually-nobody-can-tell-you-how-to-survive-a-grizzly-bear-attack/?fbclid=IwAR2wuWija3SJsYuazqvwnxLIvtmE4bEVRdy3zZkSal7lT3rDikai3bkuSNQ Actually, Nobody Can Tell You How to Survive a Grizzly Bear Attack BY SHELBY HUFF | MARCH 6, 2019 When I first started guiding bear-viewing tours near Ketchikan, Alaska, I wasn’t experienced enough to voice myself as an authority on how to survive a bear attack. Four years later, I’m still not. Outside’s recent article “How to Survive a Grizzly Bear Attack” took another approach. While the article is not entirely false, it is a largely misinformed, simplistic summary of how to behave in bear country that ultimately is unfit for a how-to article. This particular article struck a chord in me not only because I have a soft spot for bears, but because their entire existence in the lower 48 is already laced with enough controversy. With the increasing tension of where the future of the Yellowstone grizzly stands as a protected species, grizzly bears simply cannot afford to have false information spreading like cheatgrass in Lamar Valley. Bears are cool, yes. I especially understand the allure. But this is a topic that must be tread with care. Grizzlies are a largely misunderstood and misrepresented species. To state that their growing numbers are the cause of increased human-bear conflicts is only part of the story. As the Yellowstone grizzly population has rebounded from less than an estimated 150 in 1974 to over 700 today, their range has increased outside public and protected lands. In the same time frame, human territory has spread significantly as well, limiting the spaces grizzlies can roam without encountering us. The issue is not them moving into our territory, it’s us moving into theirs. One of the most significant factors in allowing the grizzly population to rebound was the innovation of a non-lethal, effective deterrent: bear spray. Wes Siler, author of the Outside piece states, “My takeaway from spending most of an afternoon trying to hit a moving target with the inert spray was that most of us probably place way too much trust in bear spray.” But decades-long studies prove otherwise. Bear spray is actually incredibly effective when used correctly. Outside said it themselves in 2012. A 21-year study released in 2008 by Stephen Herrero and Tom S. Smith, two of North America’s leading bear behavior specialists, found that bear spray is 92 percent effective, leaving 98 percent of users uninjured after a close encounter. While firearms have their advantages, bear spray doesn’t require you to be an expert in aiming because it covers a large area, or at least, larger than a bullet. “The spray isn’t brains in a can,” says Dr. Stephen French, a Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem grizzly bear researcher, in Stephen Herrero’s book Bear Attacks, a 282-page “how-to” for understanding bear behavior. “Carrying pepper spray is not a substitute for the normal precautions when traveling or camping in bear country,” Herrero adds. In general, most bears show an incredible tolerance to humans. They sense our presence but they want nothing to do with us. As far as attacks are concerned, the most crucial elements to learn are what type of attack it is—defensive or non-defensive, whether it’s a black or brown bear, and to become familiar with their track and sign. Their power is something that needs to be taken into consideration with their tolerance. In Yellowstone National Park, where five million visitors flock annually, there is an average of one attack per year. “Most grizzly bears avoid direct contact with people and are much more interested in food than in trouble,” writes Herrero. There are about 266 other species grizzlies in the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem would prefer to eat rather than you. I spent dedicated years in the field guiding people to see wild bears, living in pockets of the West where locals still encounter them on a daily basis. I watched tourists’ fear turn into admiration that grew into respect. As Siler admits he just moved to Bozeman last year, I understand that being in grizzly territory is still something to be both excited about and fearful of, worn almost like a badge of honor. But there is a depth of understanding and responsibility that comes from years of crossing paths with bears that two days with habituated ones and a few hours on the internet does not and cannot offer. Where lives of both the two- and four-legged variety are involved, it’s best to leave the advice up to the experts. Our mistakes, be it in the field or on paper, have far more grave consequences for grizzlies than they do for humans. In the age of instant gratification, we need to admit that there are certain things we cannot hack as a species, that there are things beyond our control. But the fact that there are still things that exist that are so much bigger than us is why we move to and fight for the places that hold them at all. I cannot tell you how to survive a bear attack. I can tell you the necessary precautions and hope you have the sense to take them. I can tell you to travel in a group, to make sure everyone in your group has their own canister of bear spray, to store your food far away from where you sleep, not to run, and to use your wits and your voice. I can tell you how to tell the difference between a black and grizzly bear and the most appropriate responses if either of them attacks. But I cannot tell you how to survive a bear attack. There is no hack, no shortcut, and no quick how-to understand bear behavior. But isn’t it so great that we still have something so much more powerful and more substantial than us to put us in our place, to check our humility, and ignite our sense of wonder? of wonder? Now is a time to not portray ourselves as the victim of bears or bears as the problem. It is a time to promote their value as a species and protector of our last wild places. Adventure Journal doesn’t accept sponsored content, native advertising, or paid reviews. Here’s why. The AJ staff is smaller than you think. Here’s a peek behind the scenes. Here’s why Adventure Journal was launched and how we follow ethical business and publishing practices. Adventure Journal in print is like Adventure Journal online x 100—and print stories can only be found there. Subscribe to get it now—we guarantee you’ll love it
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Post by brobear on Mar 7, 2019 16:48:43 GMT -5
Actually, Nobody Can Tell You How to Survive a Grizzly Bear Attack BY SHELBY HUFF | MARCH 6, 2019
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2019 20:17:48 GMT -5
Fight or Play Dead?
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jun 16, 2020 9:39:17 GMT -5
https://www.reddit.com/r/coolguides/comments/92vtyl/how_to_survive_a_bear_attack/ Look at what I found.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jun 16, 2020 9:44:21 GMT -5
How to Not Get Attacked by a Bear
Bears are making a comeback across North America, and here's what you need to know if you cross paths with one. FROM THE MOUNTAINS of Maryland to the swamps of Florida to the snowy peaks of the U.S. West, bears are making a comeback. Thanks to regulated hunting and more habitat, "there's a pretty dramatic increase in bear populations across the U.S., and people are going to be encountering bears more and more," says Dave Garshelis, bear project leader at the Minnesota Department of
Natural Resources. (Related: "Black Bears Are Rebounding—What Does That Mean For People?") In August, a grizzly bear killed a hiker in Yellowstone National Park—a tragic yet extremely rare event, experts say. The chances of being injured by a bear are approximately 1 in 2.1 million, according to the National Park Service. In other words, you're more likely to be killed by a bee than a bear. Living With the Wild. As bear populations rebound across the United States, and as people increasingly move into their habitat, bear-human run-ins are inevitable. This is one of several stories asking: How do we live with the predators? To gain more insight into bear attacks and how to prevent them, scientists recently completed a study—not yet published—examining 675 bear attacks on people. Their research revealed distinct patterns of bear behavior that can help people stay safe in bear habitat. “There is a lot of mythology out there about why bear attacks happen,” says Tom Smith, a biologist at Brigham Young University in Utah. “If I wanted to make a key point, it is that the vast majority of these negative encounters are avoidable. People don’t need to go out into bear country and get hurt, nor do bears. These incidents are largely preventable, but humans have to take more responsibility.” Here's how to be smart in bear habitat—whether it's in the deep wilderness or your own backyard. www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2015/09/150916-bears-attacks-animals-science-north-america-grizzlies/
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jun 16, 2020 9:46:47 GMT -5
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Post by tom on Jun 16, 2020 10:57:02 GMT -5
IMO more effective than anything else including firearms. But if you don't carry it on you in such a way that you have quick access, then it's useless.
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Post by brobear on Oct 20, 2020 23:41:35 GMT -5
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Oct 22, 2020 6:09:43 GMT -5
Bears are more loyal than men honestly.
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Post by tom on Nov 20, 2020 13:53:44 GMT -5
I want to revisit the topic of the best protection against a bear attack. Gun vs Bear spray and the pros and cons of each.
Pros for guns: Is not wind dependent. If you are proficient with a gun whether it be a handgun or shotgun and train with them they can be effective.
Cons for guns: Problem is most people won't be accurate in a panic situation. They won't train for a quick almost instantaneous reaction scenario when the adrenaline is flowing high, therefore they will not be accurate enough for a gun to put a Bear down in a panic situation with one or two shots at very close range.
Bear spray pros: Used correctly and access to it is immediate it has been proven to be highly affective. It should NOT be kept in your back pack as you might as well have nothing then. Keeping it in a holster at your side ready to use fast. This is also something one can train for when time is at the utmost importance
Cons: the only real con for Bear spray is wind, unless of course the spray is well past its expiration date (something else to think about). IF the charge from a Grizzly is coming from up wind you may end up spraying yourself if there enough wind coming back at you. Spray will work with wind but it will likely only be affective within 15 feet or less. Obviously the more the wind the less effective it will be. The problem is when faced with a Grizzly bearing down on you from 30 ft. away your not focusing on the wind direction. If you have time (keyword "If") you can judge the wind and move your position accordingly.
So which do you carry?
Would you carry firearm and bear spray?
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Post by brobear on Nov 20, 2020 14:07:19 GMT -5
( IMO ) I would prefer to have both. A high-powered pistol in easy to reach holster - just in case of strong winds or heavy rain downpour. Bear spray on my right hip for "quick draw" access. Make sure I'm well practiced with both. I prefer the bear spray if weather conditions permit. I would also feel safer if I also carry a bowie knife.
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Post by tom on Nov 20, 2020 14:11:19 GMT -5
Good point I had forgotten about rain which will make spray all but useless.
I think the key to either is to train for a panic situation. You don't have actually use the spray when training but rather practice removing it from its holder in a quick but deliberate manner. Same with the gun.
Good advice:
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Post by brobear on Dec 9, 2020 4:11:22 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_attack A bear attack is an attack by any mammal of the family Ursidae, on another animal, although it usually refers to bears attacking humans or domestic pets. Bear attacks are of particular concern for those who are in bear habitats. They can be fatal and often hikers, hunters, fishers, and others in bear country take precautions against bear attacks. Stephen Herrero, a Canadian biologist, reports that during the 1990s, bears killed around three people a year in the U.S. and Canada, as compared to the 15 people killed every year by dogs.[1] These numbers are averages over the entire U.S. population, most of whom do not live in bear habitats; for those who do, the risk of a lethal bear attack is much higher. 1- American black bear: Unlike grizzly bears, which became a subject of fearsome legend among the European settlers of North America, black bears were rarely considered overly dangerous, even though they lived in areas where the pioneers had settled. Black bears rarely attack when confronted by humans, and usually limit themselves to making mock charges, emitting blowing noises and swatting the ground with their forepaws. 2- Moon bear: Though usually shy and cautious animals, Asian black bears are more aggressive toward humans than the brown bears of Eurasia.[13] According to Brigadier General R.G. Burton: The Himalayan black bear is a savage animal, sometimes attacking without provocation, and inflicting horrible wounds, attacking generally the head and face with their claws, while using their teeth also on a prostrate victim. It is not uncommon to see men who have been terribly mutilated, some having the scalp torn from the head, and many sportsmen have been killed by these bears. — A Book of Man Eaters, Chapter XVII Bears
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Post by brobear on Dec 9, 2020 4:24:13 GMT -5
Reply #37 continued: 3- Brown bear: As a rule, brown bears seldom attack humans on sight, and usually avoid people. They are, however, unpredictable in temperament, and will attack if they are surprised or feel threatened. Sows with cubs account for the majority of injuries and fatalities in North America. Habituated or food conditioned bears can also be dangerous, as their long-term exposure to humans causes them to lose their natural shyness, and in some cases associate humans with food. Small parties of one or two people are more often attacked than large groups, with no attacks being recorded against parties of more than seven people. In contrast to injuries caused by American black bears, which are usually minor, brown bear attacks tend to result in serious injury and in some cases death. In the majority of attacks resulting in injury, brown bears precede the attack with a growl or huffing sound, and seem to confront humans as they would when fighting other bears: they rise up on their hind legs, and attempt to "disarm" their victims by biting and holding on to the lower jaw to avoid being bitten in turn. Such a bite can be more severe than that of a tiger, and has been known to crush the heads of some human victims. 4- Polar bear: Polar bear attacks on humans are extremely rare, and according to records by James Wilder, out of 73 fatal bear attacks between 1870 and 2014, only 20 have been the result of polar bears. Polar bear attacks can also happen in captivity. 5- Sloth bear: In some areas of India and Burma, sloth bears are more feared than tigers, due to their unpredictable temperament. In Madhya Pradesh, sloth bear attacks accounted for the deaths of 48 people and the injuring of 686 others between the years 1989 and 1994, probably due in part to the density of population and competition for food sources. One specimen, known as the sloth bear of Mysore, was single-handedly responsible for the deaths of 12 people and the mutilation of 2 dozen others before being shot by Kenneth Anderson. Sloth bears defend themselves when surprised, with the majority of confrontations occurring at night. They typically charge on all fours with their head held low, before rearing on their hind legs and striking at their attackers with their claws and teeth.
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Post by tom on Sept 22, 2021 13:38:24 GMT -5
I watched a pretty good video on what's best Gun or Bear spray when or if attacked by a Grizzly, 20 minutes but worth the watch. The video is titled Gun or spray or both and starts out with a pretty graphic story of a guy who was attacked not once but twice by the same female Grizzly and lived to tell his story. Then the video moves on and talks about using a gun to thwart an attack followed by using the Bear spray. I think the whole idea was to inform people to be familiar with either one or both if you will be carrying both and learn to be proficient in using them quickly when you may only have a few seconds to react. Obviously with the spray you don't have to be as accurate and if it works the Bear still lives. But you must be able to deploy it very quickly under a rush of adrenaline.
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