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Post by brobear on Sept 20, 2018 3:23:14 GMT -5
wherethebearwalks.blogspot.com/2010/04/bear-intelligence.html WHERE THE BEAR WALKS. Bear Intelligence Because of the slow, plodding nature of bears, they're not really thought of as being all that intelligent, even though circus bears are trained to ride bikes and roller skates, play musical instruments, and other routines of such remarkable complexity that no other animal could master them. Most people overlook this instead of realizing that it speaks to a high level of intelligence and cognitive ability within the bear. In fact, they've been found to have a brain almost as convoluted as that of a human being and many biologists readily admit that bears are equal to the great apes and even dolphins in their intelligence. Some take that a step farther and claim that some bears have the IQ of a three-year-old child. What's most interesting is that this level of intelligence and cognitive reasoning is not often observed among bears in the wild. A possible explanation for this is that a bear in the wild is so driven by the single-minded purpose of survival and finding enough food before the onset of winter that the full scope of what they're capable of must often take a backseat to wild instinct. Researchers like Else Poulsen and Doug Seus have shown that when a bear is kept in captivity, well-fed, cared for, and given a stress-free life, the other side of their nature becomes more apparent and takes precedence over instinct. Doug Seus has worked with grizzlies for 33 years and says that never a day goes by when he's not amazed by what they're capable of. He says that his Kodiak Bart the Bear was at least as intelligent as a chimpanzee and was still not that remarkably intelligent as grizzlies go. He recounts a story in which a flash flood had washed a Coke can and a thorny hawthorn tree into a ditch alongside his Utah home. Bart attempted to retrieve the can but was deterred by the sharp thorns. Looking back and forth from the can to a two by twelve plank lying nearby, Bart picked up the plank and used it to press the branches down so he could retrieve the can. Else Poulsen witnessed some of the most amazing evidence of intelligence while working with captive bears as a rehabilitator for a zoo. A grizzly would run her paws over herself in a washing motion to indicate that she wanted a bath and would use her nose to point to the part of her body that she wanted washed. If in pain, the bears would point with their noses to whatever it was that hurt and would then bite down on their paws to indicate pain. One young bear - shunned from play by two older bears - did the same thing, apparently to indicate emotional pain. The polar bears showed the greatest intelligence, one very pointedly demonstrating to Poulsen why frozen chickens don't make good toys: they thaw out in water! Likewise, Charlie Russell's bear Chico seemed to understand Russell's interest in bears and taught him a simple greeting that they shared only between each other. Lily the Black Bear was seemingly smart enough to associate her den cam with Lynn Rogers. Whacking it with her paw during play, she gazed wide-eyed at the camera, sniffed it, licked it, and cooed reassuringly at it in the same way that she would to calm her cub, all of this apparently an apologetic gesture. Larry Kaniut's Alaska Bear Tales tells the story of a hunter who encountered two grizzlies. He shot and killed one and pursued when the other one, a female, ran. He cornered the grizzly in a river trying to climb a steep embankment, but the slope was too muddy and she kept sliding back into the water. Trapped between the slope and the man, the hunter said the bear moaned and wailed when he raised the gun. Surprised, he lowered the gun....and then raised it again. He did this repeatedly, getting the same reaction each time the weapon was raised. Finally, he says that the bear lowered her head into the water and drowned herself. As disgusting and horrifying as the story is, if it's true it says a lot about a bear's cognitive ability and - for me - explains why some attacks against humans are so aggressive and merciless. In Stephen Herrero's Bear Attacks: Their Causes and Avoidance, the story is told of a radio-collared black bear being tracked on foot by a researcher while the man's father patrolled overhead in an airplane. In order to throw off his tracker, the bear built several nests in different locations, then entered a stream, backtracked 50 yards, and slipped into thick foliage. The man refused to give up and by late afternoon, the sun was melting the snow and rocks appeared. The bear used this to his advantage, stepping from rock to rock, leaving no trail behind. Finally the researcher picked up the tracks again and followed them until they stopped, disappearing into thin air. This time the bear had walked backwards, placing his feet precisely into his tracks, and went back in the opposite direction, eluding the man. Ben Kilham's Among the Bears recounts his experiences raising several different sets of cubs in New Hampshire. Not only did his work show how impressionable they are in their youth and how one bad experience during that formative time can scar them for life, but also that they're capable of altruism, a quality that was previously only thought to be found in human beings. But not only did they show altruism for other bears, but for other forms of life that they encountered! They demonstrated how clever, intelligent, and adaptable to changes in their environment they really are. Testing that intelligence, Kilham presented them with a mirror, hoping to find evidence of self-awareness. In every case, the young bears reacted as if they were meeting another bear, but after sniffing the mirror and running circles around it to find the other bear, they seemed to decide that they were looking at their reflections. They were observed dragging objects in front of the mirror and playing while watching themselves. Kilham concluded that it would never be enough to convince most scientists, but it seemed to him a demonstration of some level of self-awareness. Perhaps the best and most famous example of this level of intelligence being observed in the wild was with the Mud Creek Grizzly of Glacier National Park. The bear had been captured twice by biologists over a two year period for research purposes. Finally the bear decided he'd had enough of that and began to fight back. After a trap site had been set up with bait and cameras, he would sneak into the area, tear down the plastic strips that marked the trail to the site, set off the traps with rocks and sticks, steal the bait, gnaw on the camera until it popped open, remove the film cartridge, and smash it on a rock. This happened several times before biologists decided it best to leave the animal alone before it started taking its frustration out on people....as one research bear did in 2003. This bear was first captured by biologists during the Exxon-Valdez oil spill in Alaska and was tracked down, tranquilized, and captured every summer thereafter. When released for the last time, the researchers reported it as exhibiting "strong, abnormal aggression towards human beings" (Gee, I wonder why). A short time later, the bear was killed and identified as being responsible for the deaths of Timothy Treadwell and his girlfriend. That should be a very clear warning to biologists and researchers whose actions towards an animal that they don't fully understand could end in disaster somewhere down the line. Unfortunately, it's a warning that I don't think many will even bother to acknowledge. These are just a few of the countless examples of bear intelligence and cognition that are out there, so the next time someone says you're smarter than the average bear, you can rest assured that you're pretty well off.
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Post by brobear on Sept 23, 2018 14:56:35 GMT -5
In the Shadow of the Sabertooth by Doug Peacock. Omnivores are adaptable, flexible creatures. They have to be to make a living amid changing habitats, climates and the flux of the Ice Age. As any bear biologist knows, grizzlies are extremely intelligent, not in the way as Homo sapien with his language-inspired cognitive skills but with better adaptive abilities and survival smarts. Here we look at the colonization of the New World by grizzly bears in order to shed light on human prehistory. It's a useful and overlooked approach ( and of course this is my own field of experience ). The paleontological record of bears is important because it informs the huge time gap in the archaeology of early America. Whereas skeletal remains of only humans have been found in America that date older than 12,000 years old, more than 30 sets of grizzly bones have contributed both DNA and radiocarbon dates that sometimes run beyond the limits of accurate carbon-14 dating ( older than about 45,000 years old ). The study of grizzlies can contribute to the larger discussion. Since the American brown bear and early Americans occupied the same habitats and ate the same foods, they may have traveled the same colonizing routes from Beringia southward to the ice-free lands.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 15:16:55 GMT -5
In the Shadow of the Sabertooth by Doug Peacock. Omnivores are adaptable, flexible creatures. They have to be to make a living amid changing habitats, climates and the flux of the Ice Age. As any bear biologist knows, grizzlies are extremely intelligent, not in the way as Homo sapien with his language-inspired cognitive skills but with better adaptive abilities and survival smarts. Here we look at the colonization of the New World by grizzly bears in order to shed light on human prehistory. It's a useful and overlooked approach ( and of course this is my own field of experience ). The paleontological record of bears is important because it informs the huge time gap in the archaeology of early America. Whereas skeletal remains of only humans have been found in America that date older than 12,000 years old, more than 30 sets of grizzly bones have contributed both DNA and radiocarbon dates that sometimes run beyond the limits of accurate carbon-14 dating ( older than about 45,000 years old ). The study of grizzlies can contribute to the larger discussion. Since the American brown bear and early Americans occupied the same habitats and ate the same foods, they may have traveled the same colonizing routes from Beringia southward to the ice-free lands. Where do you rank bear intelligence with big cats and wolves?
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Post by brobear on Sept 24, 2018 3:01:19 GMT -5
The measuring of intelligence is not a perfected science, but much testing has been done. The bear I ( and many experts ) would rank equally with the elephants and great apes. Wolf and fox several steps down, but still very smart. Dog vs cat is an on-going bitter squabble in this debate, but from my own personal observations, I would place cats just a step below the dog. Thw wolf, by the way, has been proven smarter than the domestic dog. This makes sense. A wolf does not wake up to a bowl of food and a bowl of water. Interestingly, and I had came to this same conclusion on my own, Ice-Age man was smarter than modern man. Same reason as wolf and dog. An Ice-Age man could not flick a bic to light a fire. He had neither grocery stores nor clothing stores. He could not buy a house. Think about it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 11:20:30 GMT -5
The measuring of intelligence is not a perfected science, but much testing has been done. The bear I ( and many experts ) would rank equally with the elephants and great apes. Wolf and fox several steps down, but still very smart. Dog vs cat is an on-going bitter squabble in this debate, but from my own personal observations, I would place cats just a step below the dog. Thw wolf, by the way, has been proven smarter than the domestic dog. This makes sense. A wolf does not wake up to a bowl of food and a bowl of water. Interestingly, and I had came to this same conclusion on my own, Ice-Age man was smarter than modern man. Same reason as wolf and dog. An Ice-Age man could not flick a bic to light a fire. He had neither grocery stores nor clothing stores. He could not buy a house. Think about it. I agree I put the bear as a smarter animal than the wolf too. I think when it comes to cats vs dogs, I think dogs blows cats out of the water when it come to intelligence. I never knew that the ice age man was smarter than modern man, it does make sense though because you have to be intelligent to have survived during those times.
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Post by brobear on Sept 27, 2018 2:53:07 GMT -5
( IMO ) Bears, Elephants and the Great Apes stand equally near the top where animal intelligence is the topic. Of these, I am sure that under a microscope some are slightly smarter than others. Which bear species is the smartest? Is an African elephant as smart as an Asian elephants? I have read articles about scientists testing ape intelligence and found surprising results. In some areas, the gorilla out-competed the chimpanzee, and vice versa. Orangutans as well. The measuring of animal intelligence is not an exact science. But, there are methods of placing them in some order. I'm sure that we all have noticed how a person can be brilliant in some ways and completely stupid in other ways. Example: A man can read instructions and easily put complicated objects together. He can navigate his car all over a city without ever getting lost. But, he makes really stupid decisions concerning his life. So, in placing animals in some order of intelligence, what do we look for? ( IMO ), PROBLEM SOLVING.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2018 3:46:12 GMT -5
( IMO ) Bears, Elephants and the Great Apes stand equally near the top where animal intelligence is the topic. Of these, I am sure that under a microscope some are slightly smarter than others. Which bear species is the smartest? Is an African elephant as smart as an Asian elephants? I have read articles about scientists testing ape intelligence and found surprising results. In some areas, the gorilla out-competed the chimpanzee, and vice versa. Orangutans as well. The measuring of animal intelligence is not an exact science. But, there are methods of placing them in some order. I'm sure that we all have noticed how a person can be brilliant in some ways and completely stupid in other ways. Example: A man can read instructions and easily put complicated objects together. He can navigate his car all over a city without ever getting lost. But, he makes really stupid decisions concerning his life. So, in placing animals in some order of intelligence, what do we look for? ( IMO ), PROBLEM SOLVING. Great point. I like the way you broke all this down.
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Post by brobear on Nov 6, 2018 13:03:52 GMT -5
By myself on AVA in 2011 - Zoopharmacognosy is a relatively new science. It is the study of highly intelligent animals that treat themselves by the use of specific herbs to treat specific illnesses. For this reason the Medicine Bear is a part of the American Indian culture. The great apes are also known to treat themselves thus. We talk a lot about the size and the awesome strength of bears. They are also highly intelligent carnivores. Rudyard Kipling made the right choice when he chose Baloo the bear as Mowgli's teacher.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 6, 2018 17:06:03 GMT -5
Grizzly Bears Are Far From Stupid, and Here’s the Proof November 10, 2014 Grizzly bears, or brown bears, are often thought of as feared predators that can rip us to shreds or as pests that need to be dealt with – rarely anywhere in between. Now, a grizzly bear in Canada is showing us another side, and the internet loves it. Let’s let this rare grizzly glimpse remind us that we need to take grizzly bear welfare and threats to their habitat seriously given their precarious future. Ads by ZEDO “Intelligent Species Are Curious, and the Big Bear Was No Exception” Wildlife photographer, Jim Lawrence, captured an image that social media is falling in love with. Lawrence told The Dodo that the photo was captured unexpectedly. Lawrence had set up his equipment near his home in British Columbia, Canada, to record the bear who was fishing for Kootenay salmon, making his way upstream. The curious grizzly had his own plans. In true grizzly fashion, the brown bear approached Lawrence’s equipment. Lawrence rushed to get another camera to capture the rare moment. The wildlife photographer described the moment: the bear went up to the equipment cautiously, got a good sniff of the scene and eventually stood up to get a better look at the foreign object. The patient bear took his time and studied all of the camera’s buttons and screen. The bear used his gigantic paw to delicately handle the camera’s strap. When the camera started to pivot, the bear was spooked and returned to his fishing. While the wildlife photographer doesn’t understand why his photo is getting all this hype, he told The Dodo that he’s in favor if his work supports “the cause of the bear,” while highlighting a characteristic that’s often overlooked — grizzly bear intelligence. Source: Jim Lawrence Grizzly Bears Are Having a Tough Time If we want to keep this inquisitive species around for future generations, then we have to use our intelligence and compassion to care about grizzly bear habitat and threats. According to Defenders of Wildlife, back in the 1800s, 50,000 grizzlies dominated everywhere between Canada and Mexico and between the Pacific coast to the Great Plains. Today, they’re down to less than two percent of their original home range, in the 48 states. There are only 1,400 to 1,700 in the wild. The U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service explains that of the 37 grizzly populations found in 1922, 31 of those had been destroyed by 1975. And you guessed it — it’s mostly our fault. Grizzlies are naturally curious, but more so when they’re hungry. Grizzly bears are notorious for getting into our garbage, fruit trees, chicken coops, livestock and birdfeeders, even though we’re in their rightful habitat. They need a secure and natural habitat, not one full of modern roads, subdivisions, livestock operations and energy development obstacle courses. Human-grizzly encounters could easily escalate, and private landowners and wildlife officials have killed these bears in response. The sad part is that many of these fatal situations could’ve been avoided. While polar bears on disappearing ice sheets are the poster children for climate change, grizzly bears are also feeling the heat of climate change, like many other species between land and sea. According to Defenders of Wildlife, experts suspect that climate change could explain why bears are “denning later, and staying on the landscape longer in the fall when unintended shootings by hunters are most common.” More importantly, a changing climate is affecting the grizzly bear’s food sources, which will only force them to seek our food and continue the lethal cycle where they lose more often. The news isn’t all grim. Some areas are implementing grizzly recovery programs, and the bears are bouncing back. But it’s going to take a massive effort from us to keep them around. For more ideas on how you can help save endangered grizzly bears, Defenders of Wildlife has a list of quick ideas for everyone. www.care2.com/causes/grizzly-bears-are-far-from-stupid-and-heres-the-proof.html
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2018 0:08:26 GMT -5
Grizzly Bears Are Far From Stupid, and Here’s the Proof November 10, 2014 Grizzly bears, or brown bears, are often thought of as feared predators that can rip us to shreds or as pests that need to be dealt with – rarely anywhere in between. Now, a grizzly bear in Canada is showing us another side, and the internet loves it. Let’s let this rare grizzly glimpse remind us that we need to take grizzly bear welfare and threats to their habitat seriously given their precarious future. Ads by ZEDO “Intelligent Species Are Curious, and the Big Bear Was No Exception” Wildlife photographer, Jim Lawrence, captured an image that social media is falling in love with. Lawrence told The Dodo that the photo was captured unexpectedly. Lawrence had set up his equipment near his home in British Columbia, Canada, to record the bear who was fishing for Kootenay salmon, making his way upstream. The curious grizzly had his own plans. In true grizzly fashion, the brown bear approached Lawrence’s equipment. Lawrence rushed to get another camera to capture the rare moment. The wildlife photographer described the moment: the bear went up to the equipment cautiously, got a good sniff of the scene and eventually stood up to get a better look at the foreign object. The patient bear took his time and studied all of the camera’s buttons and screen. The bear used his gigantic paw to delicately handle the camera’s strap. When the camera started to pivot, the bear was spooked and returned to his fishing. While the wildlife photographer doesn’t understand why his photo is getting all this hype, he told The Dodo that he’s in favor if his work supports “the cause of the bear,” while highlighting a characteristic that’s often overlooked — grizzly bear intelligence. Source: Jim Lawrence Grizzly Bears Are Having a Tough Time If we want to keep this inquisitive species around for future generations, then we have to use our intelligence and compassion to care about grizzly bear habitat and threats. According to Defenders of Wildlife, back in the 1800s, 50,000 grizzlies dominated everywhere between Canada and Mexico and between the Pacific coast to the Great Plains. Today, they’re down to less than two percent of their original home range, in the 48 states. There are only 1,400 to 1,700 in the wild. The U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service explains that of the 37 grizzly populations found in 1922, 31 of those had been destroyed by 1975. And you guessed it — it’s mostly our fault. Grizzlies are naturally curious, but more so when they’re hungry. Grizzly bears are notorious for getting into our garbage, fruit trees, chicken coops, livestock and birdfeeders, even though we’re in their rightful habitat. They need a secure and natural habitat, not one full of modern roads, subdivisions, livestock operations and energy development obstacle courses. Human-grizzly encounters could easily escalate, and private landowners and wildlife officials have killed these bears in response. The sad part is that many of these fatal situations could’ve been avoided. While polar bears on disappearing ice sheets are the poster children for climate change, grizzly bears are also feeling the heat of climate change, like many other species between land and sea. According to Defenders of Wildlife, experts suspect that climate change could explain why bears are “denning later, and staying on the landscape longer in the fall when unintended shootings by hunters are most common.” More importantly, a changing climate is affecting the grizzly bear’s food sources, which will only force them to seek our food and continue the lethal cycle where they lose more often. The news isn’t all grim. Some areas are implementing grizzly recovery programs, and the bears are bouncing back. But it’s going to take a massive effort from us to keep them around. For more ideas on how you can help save endangered grizzly bears, Defenders of Wildlife has a list of quick ideas for everyone. www.care2.com/causes/grizzly-bears-are-far-from-stupid-and-heres-the-proof.htmlIt's sad that grizzly bears numbers are so low when once they roamed heavily in numbers of the past.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2018 0:09:09 GMT -5
By myself on AVA in 2011 - Zoopharmacognosy is a relatively new science. It is the study of highly intelligent animals that treat themselves by the use of specific herbs to treat specific illnesses. For this reason the Medicine Bear is a part of the American Indian culture. The great apes are also known to treat themselves thus. We talk a lot about the size and the awesome strength of bears. They are also highly intelligent carnivores. Rudyard Kipling made the right choice when he chose Baloo the bear as Mowgli's teacher. Im curious. Who do the think the native americans respected more the bear or the wolf?
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Post by brobear on Nov 7, 2018 3:58:37 GMT -5
If you read their stories ( myths ) clearly the bear.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2018 7:54:11 GMT -5
If you read their stories ( myths ) clearly the bear. I think the native americans respected the bear more too.
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Post by brobear on Nov 10, 2018 5:15:31 GMT -5
Direct reckonings of intelligence Several people have devoted their lives--or a significant portion of their lives--to observing bears with the intent of deep learning about how they orient to the world. Some of these inquiries have been more overtly observational, emphasizing, here, that I consider close observation to be an important source of insight. One of the first was Peter Krott and his wife, Gerturde, who adopted, raised, and observed brown bear cubs in the Italian Alps during the 1950s. This tradition has been continued by the likes of Charlie Russell, who likewise raised and closely observed brown bears cubs in Kamchatka. Other researchers have been more systematic, but no less closely attentive, including Lynn Rogers (with black bears in Minnesota) and Barrie Gilbert and Stephen Stringham, both with brown and black bears in Alaska. In addition to these close observers of bears in the Wild (or semi-Wild), several researchers have undertaken investigations of bears in more controlled settings. A pioneer in this regard--Ellis Bacon--worked with black bears during the 1970s. After a relatively long hiatus, another researcher--Jennifer Vonk--has enthusiastically taken up the torch, producing a number of papers in recent years reporting on the results of investigations into the cognitive abilities of bears. Interestingly, another source of insight into the nature of bear-intelligence has come from investigations of giant pandas, which seems a little odd given how comparatively few survive either in the wild or in zoos.
So, some results of these investigations are: Bears are known to use tools, which puts them in the same league as chimps. They can also count. They have the ability to learn, develop, and deploy abstract categorizations similar to the abilities of primates, which suggests a relatively well-developed ability to formulate concepts. However, they (or at least pandas) don't recognize themselves in mirrors. Rather, they see their self-image as another individual of their species; which is differs from the ability of other intelligent but more social animals (gorillas, elephants, dolphins) to identify themselves in such mirror-based tests.
Most of the researchers involved in this work are skeptical about the "social-intelligence" hypothesis (see above). From their perspective, most facets of bear intelligence relate back to the demands placed on an omnivore in a complex dynamic world, coupled with the need to find, extract, manipulate, and process foods at finer scales. They see bears as being comparable in most facets of intelligence to primates, and this despite the fact that bears are primarily solitary (which, as a side note, is not the same as asocial).
Laboratory-based results aside: most of those who have worked extensively with bears would probably describe these animals as "intelligent." This based on their apparent problem-solving ability, extensive geo-(and temporal) referencing of food sources, and related abilities to discern and differentiate elements of the environment at a very fine grain.
One striking example of this latter phenomenon is evident in how difficult it is to "aversively condition" so-called problem bears. The aversive conditioning enterprise aims to teach bears that have been involved in conflicts with people to avoid certain problematic situations through the administration of closely associated unpleasant experiences; for example, beating them with rubber bullets, harassing them with dogs, or subjecting them to loud noises. Aversive conditioning often fails, not because bears can't learn, but because they often learn too well. For example, some bears learn to avoid the people delivering the unpleasant experiences, and still access the foods that brought them near people in the first place. This involves the apparent ability on their part to recognize specific vehicles, people, and predictive circumstances. In other words, these bears deploy a system of categories and distinctions that allow them to orient to people and situations at a fine grain, which means that the involved bears don't generalize their unpleasant experiences to an overly broad category of situations. Aversive conditioning can fail for other reasons, but the "intelligence" of bears on the receiving end is clearly a complicating factor.
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Post by brobear on Nov 15, 2018 12:08:30 GMT -5
Some people question that a bear might rank equally with elephants and great apes in brain-power. Consider a grizzly being elusive when he knows a human is seeking him. A grizzly in early spring, with snow still lingering, was known to step only on rocks and logs, etc., where there was no snow to reveal his tracks. This same grizzly would back-track, placing each foot into another footprint, thus losing all but a highly skilled tracker ( which is rare ). The bear's ability of problem solving ranks him easily in this top position with possibly only the dolphins, whales, and corvus a short step above - maybe. www.oiseaux-birds.com/page-family-corvidae.html 1996 book: Grizzly Years: In Search of the American Wilderness
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Post by BruteStrength on Nov 22, 2018 14:19:04 GMT -5
The intelligence of a bear falls somewhere between that of an exceptionally smart dog and a primate. As with humans, the intelligence of bears varies by individual. Also like humans, each bear has a unique personality based upon their life experiences and genetic heredity. This, coupled with their status as an “opportunistic omnivore” (eating all types of foods available), makes them capable of elaborate and complex problem solving behaviors. This is exemplified by their many novel methods of obtaining food, particularly the distinct fishing techniques you will see on your visit! kodiakbearcenter.com/en/brown-bear-facts/
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Post by Polar on Nov 23, 2018 19:57:58 GMT -5
No scientific evidence for this yet (even "evidence" can't describe intelligence accurately), but I think bears are just as smart as us when it comes to basic intelligence feats but just don't have enough creative intelligence or dexterity of buildings things that we do.
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Post by BruteStrength on Dec 7, 2018 22:20:56 GMT -5
I think we have to put a bear intelligence above all big cats because bears are able to ride scooters and bicycles and open up jars and stuff. Bear wins in this department.
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Post by brobear on Dec 8, 2018 4:09:35 GMT -5
I think we have to put a bear intelligence above all big cats because bears are able to ride scooters and bicycles and open up jars and stuff. Bear wins in this department. Cats don't come close. IMO - and not only my opinion but the opinion of numerous animal trainers, hunters, park rangers and biologists, bears rank equally near the top along with elephants and the great apes.
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Post by BruteStrength on Dec 8, 2018 11:10:05 GMT -5
I agree with you 100% Bears intelligence far succeeds any big cat.
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