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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Sept 21, 2020 7:34:40 GMT -5
Apologies. Tom. Won’t happen again.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 21, 2020 11:16:59 GMT -5
It has been brought to my attention that we are not following this domain rule. Replies #49,53,62 & 66 all reference historical cage matches or pit fights. This is a warning !! PLEASE refrain from posting these type of historical events at the Domain. Thank you. Who complaint Tom? Look here, at the start of this thread, this was my doubt because i know its not allowed in this forum, so i asked Brobear, and he said we can make an exception, he allowed it, reply #13:
domainofthebears.proboards.com/post/36019/thread
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Post by tom on Sept 21, 2020 12:30:24 GMT -5
I won't delete the posts I mentioned but where exceptions are made things can get out of hand. A rule is a rule, It should be black and white. The problem is.. if we make too many exceptions or bend rules... then eventually we have ignored the rule. I would prefer we did not post historical accounts of cage matches between species of animals even it they are not directly involved in a debate. I think we can survive without them IMO. This is what I will say. If you feel the need to post a historical cage match account check with myself, brobear or Undertaker before you post it. Fair enough?
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 21, 2020 13:04:50 GMT -5
Yeah ok Tom no problem. But in this case you did see how i asked brobear and he said we can make an exception for this thread correct? And that is because i knew that most underdog accounts are historical accounts from captivity. But ok, no problem, no more historical captive accounts.
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Post by malikc6 on Sept 21, 2020 13:09:39 GMT -5
I won't delete the posts I mentioned but where exceptions are made things can get out of hand. A rule is a rule, It should be black and white. The problem is.. if we make too many exceptions or bend rules... then eventually we have ignored the rule. I would prefer we did not post historical accounts of cage matches between species of animals even it they are not directly involved in a debate. I think we can survive without them IMO. This is what I will say. If you feel the need to post a historical cage match account check with myself, brobear or Undertaker before you post it. Fair enough? Rules aside, do you feel that these accounts could attract trolls?
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Post by tom on Sept 21, 2020 18:07:41 GMT -5
There's always that possibility
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Post by tom on Sept 21, 2020 18:10:40 GMT -5
Yeah ok Tom no problem. But in this case you did see how i asked brobear and he said we can make an exception for this thread correct? And that is because i knew that most underdog accounts are historical accounts from captivity. But ok, no problem, no more historical captive accounts. Like I said if you feel the need to post a certain historical account that is relative to the conversation then contact myself, brobear or undertaker and we we'll make a decision. but overall I would like us to see us get away from historical cage matches or circus accounts. In my opinion we either get rid of the rule or follow the rule.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Oct 20, 2020 0:39:42 GMT -5
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 20, 2020 1:22:27 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2020 10:13:41 GMT -5
12 ft croc according to carnivora User would be around 200 kg
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Post by theundertaker45 on Nov 7, 2020 4:15:11 GMT -5
This is an interesting matchup in my opinion; we all know that the saltwater crocodile would be a few leagues above a sloth bear due to its enormous size but there is also a smaller species inhabiting the Indian mainland: the mugger crocodile. Mature male specimens range from 300-350cm in average length; weight data on this species is relatively limited but one individual measuring ~300cm in total length had a weight of ~195kg (captured in Pakistan).
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Post by brobear on Nov 7, 2020 4:31:00 GMT -5
The mugger is roughly the size of an American alligator and ( from what I've read ) very similar is behavior as well. I will assume this battle takes place on dry land. I am very familiar with alligators. Those who aren't are usually surprised at just how quickly a big gator can move. Realistically, there would be no fight. However - today there is. We have a 300-pound sloth bear facing a 500-pound mugger. The bear must put 100% of his bear intelligence into play here. The sloth bear ( it is my understanding ) has the weakest set of jaws among bears. I don't believe that he can kill this brute with a bite to the plated back of the neck. The bear's claws can do considerable damage - but a mugger can withstand a lot of damage. Perhaps the wisest plan for the bear is to keep the crocodile busy until he is completely exhausted. Then the bear can climb up onto the living-log's back and go to work on that armored neck. Given several minutes time, the bear can kill the mugger. Realistically - Mugger 6 / Sloth Bear 4. ( IMO ).
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Post by theundertaker45 on Nov 7, 2020 4:36:00 GMT -5
I am agreeing with you here; the sloth bear would have to work out quite a sophisticated plan in order to take down the larger croc and at the same time has to watch out for those massive jaws; I'd believe that this might work at times but I would also bet on the mugger crocodile the majority of the time. Maybe we'll see a few interactions between the two at some point, that would be great.
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Post by brobear on Nov 7, 2020 5:00:08 GMT -5
I simply found this interesting. It shows how crocodiles and alligators are somewhat distantly related.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 7, 2020 7:26:54 GMT -5
Mugger croc wins both on land and water.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2020 3:56:49 GMT -5
Mugger is similar to Nile crocodile rather than alligator.
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Post by brobear on Nov 8, 2020 5:33:24 GMT -5
Mugger is similar to Nile crocodile rather than alligator. I would suppose like looking at a painting; one sees this and another sees that. In appearance and in typical size, the mugger is very alligator-like; but he is a true crocodile. animalia.bio/mugger The mugger, also known as the marsh crocodile, is a crocodile of medium to large size with the broadest snout of all the living members of the genus Crocodylus. It lives in the Indian subcontinent as well as other countries in southern Asia. They are more alligator-like than any other crocodile, especially in their rounded snout, as most crocodiles have a snout that is pointier. Like most crocodilians, muggers feature a flat head where their eyes, ears and nose are on top. This enables them to see, hear and breathe above water when their bodies are underwater. They have webbed feet but do not use them for swimming, using their strong, flat tail instead. “Mugger” is a corruption from an Indian word that means “water monster.”
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Post by brobear on Nov 8, 2020 5:36:25 GMT -5
American alligator - Alligator mississippiensis
The American alligator (Alligator mississippiensis), sometimes referred to colloquially as a gator or common alligator, is a large crocodilian reptile endemic to the southeastern United States. It is one of two living species in the genus Alligator within the family Alligatoridae; it is larger than the other extant alligator species, the Chinese alligator. Adult male American alligators measure up to 3.4 to 4.6 m (11 to 15 ft) in length, and can weigh up to 453 kg (999 lb). Females are smaller, measuring around 3 m (9.8 ft). The American alligator inhabits freshwater wetlands, such as marshes and cypress swamps from Texas to North Carolina. It is distinguished from the sympatric American crocodile by its broader snout, with overlapping jaws and darker coloration, and is less tolerant of saltwater but more tolerant of cooler climates than the American crocodile, which is found only in tropical climates.
Mugger crocodile - Crocodylus palustris
The mugger crocodile (Crocodylus palustris = "crocodile of the marsh"), also called the Indian, Indus, Persian, marsh crocodile or simply mugger, is found throughout the Indian subcontinent and the surrounding countries, like Pakistan where the Sindhu crocodile is the national reptile of Pakistan. It is one of the three crocodilians found in India, the others being the gharial and the saltwater crocodile. It iis a medium-sized crocodile that mostly inhabits freshwater lakes, ponds, sluggish rivers, swamps and marshes. The mugger crocodiles is considered a medium sized species, said to grow up to 4–5 m (13–16 ft) long. The males are larger than females, averaging 3.2 m (10 ft) compared to 2.45 m (8.0 ft) in females. Sexual maturity is obtained at around 1.7–2 m (5.6–6.6 ft) and 2.6 m (8.5 ft) for females and males respectively. The largest specimen in the British Museum measures 3.7 m (12 ft).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2020 9:27:29 GMT -5
mugger on land and in water
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Nov 8, 2020 10:06:45 GMT -5
A mature male mugger croc will win in both land and water. The sloth bear might put up a defensively aggressive fight before going down.
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