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Post by brobear on Mar 21, 2020 12:05:49 GMT -5
Bears are jack-of-all-trades. Opportunists. A grizzly is a forager, a grazer, a fisher, a clam digger, he digs for rodents and edible roots and bulbs, insectivore, honey hunter, hunter of both small and large herbivores, scavenger, and kleptoparasite.
Cats are specialists. A cat is a hunter - an ambush predator - period. A cat stalks his prey on padded paws designed to be quiet. He gets as close as possible to his prey before launching himself as quickly as possible before leaping onto his prey and using his powerful jaws and teeth onto a precise location of the prey's anatomy.
Cats are short-winded because, as a specialist ambush predator, a cat has no need for a long-distance run.
Wolves ( dogs ) are also specialists. They are pack-hunters. They chase and wear-down their prey. As long-distance runners and pack-hunters, a wolf has no need to be a great grappler. As several pack members grab and pull on a herbivores body, they work together as a team to kill.
How often do we hear a big cat fan say, "big cats are full-time predators therefore they are better at killing."
Well, this is correct. A big cat is a professional ambush killer; an expert at attacking in surprise from behind, and killing his prey. But a bear ( especially a grizzly ) is a professional kleptoparasite. He is an expert at walking right up to other predators, getting in the predator's face, and taking the fruits of his hunting. The big cats are professional ambush killers. Bear are professional fighters.
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Post by tom on Mar 21, 2020 16:14:21 GMT -5
But a bear ( especially a grizzly ) is a professional kleptoparasite. He is an expert at walking right up to other predators, getting in the predator's face, and taking the fruits of his hunting. The big cats are professional ambush killers. Bear are professional fighters. Absolutely. Bears most especially Grizzlies are at the top of the food chain where ever they inhabit. He has no problem stealing.... Now.. could a Grizzly who is merely meandering thru the country and happens onto a Bull Moose or Bull Bison be persuaded to just move along? Yes But could that same Grizzly be persuaded to leave a freshly caught Bison calf by it's mother? We'll..... maybe, but I'm betting not.  |
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Post by brobear on Mar 21, 2020 19:56:01 GMT -5
Consider too; an amnivore has to know how to do more than one thing. A hunter hunts. That's his only profession. But an omnivore must learn multiple tasks, such as how to catch a slippery fish in moving water. Or how to get honey out of a tree that is guarded by stinging bees. How to find clams on a beach and then how to get them out of the shell. So many professions. No small wonder an omnivore is a smart animal. We are ourselves omnivores.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Mar 22, 2020 0:30:23 GMT -5
The jack of all trades is generally larger and therefore obviously stronger. Even at parity, the bear (jack of all trades) has stronger forearms, denser bones, longer claws, and jaws that can be use for both biting and shaking.
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Post by brobear on Mar 22, 2020 3:58:14 GMT -5
Consider the blacksmith in the late nineteen-teens. His father was a blacksmith and his father before him. Its all he knows. Then comes along the automobile. Fewer and fewer people riding horses. The blacksmith, who only a decade ago was prosperous, is now struggling to feed his family.
His neighbor is a jack-of-all-trades. He is a carpenter, a painter, a bricklayer, a roofer, etc. He will always have a good paying job.
At the end of the last Ice Age, the big powerful full-time predators perished in America. The cougar survived because he could survive on small prey animals such as birds, rodents, and rabbits. The black bear could survive on a vegetarian / insectivore diet in the forests where he could even climb trees and find food. Like the black bear, the grizzly had a wide range of food choices. Also, both the black bear and the grizzly could hibernate during the harsh Winter months.
The giant lions, the big saber-toothed cats, and the huge short-faced bears perished. The big cats ( like all cats ) were specialists. The giant bears were not specialists, but had fewer skills than the Ursus bears. ( IMHO )... the short-faced bears had a less varied diet and lacked the ability to hibernate.
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 11, 2020 10:00:48 GMT -5
A tiger is just a killer, that is all he does, kill, kill, kill. Nothing else.
A bear is a killer also to a lesser degree, but a bear actually fertilizes the forests because of his diet, this is just incredible. A bear can also be used as a digging machine. Also, a bear can be used as a "fishing rod" sort of speak.
A tiger? Just a horrible killer, thats it. Nothing good comes out of this animal.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2020 12:00:32 GMT -5
A tiger is just a killer, that is all he does, kill, kill, kill. Nothing else.
A bear is a killer also to a lesser degree, but a bear actually fertilizes the forests because of his diet, this is just incredible. A bear can also be used as a digging machine. Also, a bear can be used as a "fishing rod" sort of speak.
A tiger? Just a horrible killer, thats it. Nothing good comes out of this animal.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jul 7, 2020 12:05:04 GMT -5
Damn straight. I cant stand that striped kitty cat.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jul 7, 2020 12:20:03 GMT -5
I have a very serious question for any of you guys:
Who is better, an animal that actually gives life to the forest or an animal that all it does is kill in the forest?
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Post by brobear on Jul 7, 2020 13:17:23 GMT -5
I have a very serious question for any of you guys:
Who is better, an animal that actually gives life to the forest or an animal that all it does is kill in the forest? What you're missing... in this respect, the tiger is no different from the cougar, the leopard, the jaguar, the lion, the wolf, the hyena, the woverine, the hawk, the owl, the eagle, the shark, the crocodile, etc.  |
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Post by King Kodiak on Jul 7, 2020 13:28:15 GMT -5
I have a very serious question for any of you guys:
Who is better, an animal that actually gives life to the forest or an animal that all it does is kill in the forest? What you're missing... in this respect, the tiger is no different from the cougar, the leopard, the jaguar, the lion, the wolf, the hyena, the woverine, the hawk, the owl, the eagle, the shark, the crocodile, etc. |
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Post by brobear on Jul 7, 2020 14:03:45 GMT -5
What you're missing... in this respect, the tiger is no different from the cougar, the leopard, the jaguar, the lion, the wolf, the hyena, the woverine, the hawk, the owl, the eagle, the shark, the crocodile, etc. See: Interesting Data involving big cats - reply #76 and #77.  |
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Post by brobear on Jul 7, 2020 14:06:06 GMT -5
The jack of all trades is generally larger and therefore obviously stronger. Even at parity, the bear (jack of all trades) has stronger forearms, denser bones, longer claws, and jaws that can be use for both biting and shaking. Not every "jack-of-all-trades is a bear. This would basically include all true omnivores such as raccoons, 'possums, baboons, and wild boar to name a few. |
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Post by King Kodiak on Jul 7, 2020 15:59:17 GMT -5
Definitely i know. All cats are the same. I dont like any cat. I can respect the lion a little more though. See: Interesting Data involving big cats - reply #76 and #77.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 0:07:16 GMT -5
I have a very serious question for any of you guys:
Who is better, an animal that actually gives life to the forest or an animal that all it does is kill in the forest? I think both are better at what they do. If the killing animal doesn't do it's job, then the herbivores would overpopulated the forest. In this case, I take words of the researchers when it is known that tigers are a keystone Apex predators in their habitat!. If you are going to measure the usefulness of an animal, then I would say bees, earthworm, foring fixes are the most useful animals, even more than an overgrown furball!. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 0:09:53 GMT -5
See: Interesting Data involving big cats - reply #76 and #77.
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Tigers have also attacked face to face , but that's pretty rare. |
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Post by King Kodiak on Jul 8, 2020 0:19:36 GMT -5
Thats fine bro, not a big deal. Bears also keep herbivores in check. Being a "gardener of the forests" is much more useful than that. Bears give the forests life, tigers dont.
Who is overgrown furball? Tigers are overgrown kitty cats.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 0:32:20 GMT -5
Thats fine bro, not a big deal. Bears also keep herbivores in check. Being a "gardener of the forests" is much more useful than that. Bears give the forests life, tigers dont.
Who is overgrown furball? Tigers are overgrown kitty cats. No probs for me if they are overgrown kitty cats!, But they are much more than that!. I would go by the Buffaloes and Gaur's who shiver when they encounter one of them!. They are doing their job just like bears are doing theirs. |
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Post by King Kodiak on Jul 8, 2020 0:35:38 GMT -5
You serious bro? Thats not what i see here:
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 0:44:24 GMT -5
You serious bro? Thats not what i see here:
There are exceptions! And yes, tigers and lions are also afraid of death. I don't think there is one animal in this world that just lives to fight rather than fight to live!. |
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